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** This isn't a flaming thread; nor is it politically related, so please don't start off on one about that... ;) **

 

What's your opinion on the latest 'masks to be worn from Tuesday' malarky?

 

For me, now  what I feel is taking the piss TBH is that they must be worn in shops; but no need to wear them in pubs & restaurants...? Why & how does that make any sense, at all?!

 

£200 fine to be imposed if you don't wear one... Another scaremongering tactic as if you do your research; the fine isn't enforceable and those that challenged the fines last time round got the fines quashed... So they say... This seems to be the biggest bugbear and what folk throw at you all the time... It's all part of 'the control'... 

 

For me enough is enough now; personally I feel the media with the government are scaremongering this too far now and at this rate, we're going to end up shut down again through sheer panic! :(  I will have my vaccines; I will wear a mask in the shops, as I catch a cold at the drop of a hat; but very fortunate that we've not been anywhere near Covid (have relatives that have though and it wasn't nice).

 

One thing I won't be doing is training at the gym I trained at...!

 

My other worry is that Wee Crankie is going to go OTT again and stop anyone entering Scotland :mad:  <<< This worries me massively as we're up to the Highlands in Dec and Feb, so far... First time since Feb 2020

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To note: FYI I'm doubled jabbed and will be getting my booster in Jan when I'm eligible; so I'm not an anti-vax/conspiracy knobber nor am I anti-mask ;):mrgreen:

 

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Simple.
 

WEAR. A. FUCKING. MASK!!!!

 

Worst case scenario for you is that it does nothing.
 

Best case it saves your life or that of a loved one. 

 

Trust me on this you don’t want to die because of covid. 
 

Just fucking do it. 

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12 minutes ago, duncan-uk said:

Simple.
 

WEAR. A. FUCKING. MASK!!!!

 

Worst case scenario for you is that it does nothing.
 

Best case it saves your life or that of a loved one. 

 

Trust me on this you don’t want to die because of covid. 
 

Just fucking do it. 

 

Easier said than done for some folk... 

 

Some won't wear them because of what they believe in, that they little to nothing at all... Others simply won't wear them because they feel its compliance or being controlled... 

 

So saying 'just fucking wear them' won't work... 

 

For instance, what's the difference in having to wear them when in shops, but not in pubs/restaurants... 

 

That to me makes absolutely no sense at all... And also we've to start Tuesday. Why not immediately?! 

 

There's so many / too many questions that will be asked and need to be answered, whether they will or not is to be seen. 

 

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As Duncan says, JFDI.

 

Even when things were relaxed, I had to continue to make huge precautions because my wife refuses to get vaccinated and she's the full time Mum to our 5 year old.  Since 2019, its been like walking on eggshells trying to keep us all safe.

 

I have no time for anyone saying is about control, compliance, it has a tracking chip etc.  I will and have told those people to fuck off multiple times and I've lost friends over it.  Really don't care.

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I’m not going to argue the why’s and wherefore’s of it. 
 

I'm not even going to start on the politics. 
 

Only that for me it’s simple to wear a mask in a shop, public transport or a restaurant. 
 

The benefits might be minimal if it’s just me wearing one but I think it’s worth it. 
 

9 months ago I stopped following what Boris told me and did what seemed sensible. 
 

Yes it can be a pain but you don’t want the alternative. 

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JFDI if you give a f%ck at all about either your loved ones or the public at large - it isn't (after going through all those months of mandatory wearing masks) a great hardship. It's not about how you think about yourself and your 'compliance' or your 'personal liberties' - it's about how you consider everyone else - and it shows.

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Freedom comes with responsibility.

 

The British public have shown time and again, throughout this pandemic, that they simply can’t be trusted to do the right thing. They will ignore advice on mask wearing. They ignore advice on social distancing. They panic buy toilet paper, pasta and petrol. They look for loopholes in the laws and try to get out of fines for doing things they should have the common sense not to do in the first place. Their first thought in every situation is how it affects them.

 

So, when we show that we can’t act responsibly, the only option is to remove our freedom. 

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Germanys' health minister put it in a nutshell.

 

The future is this.  You will either be vaccinated, cured or dead!

 

If you are ever unfortunate enough to witness someone close to you dying from this invisable evil,  then wearing a mask will seem like the least anyone can do to assist in preventing its spread.  Covid doesn't give two fiddlers about anyones personal beliefs or fundamental liberties.  Give it half a chance and it will be in.  Please don't assist it in it's brutal quest.

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I'm still without a proper sense of smell and taste since April 2020 !!!

 

Covid was not fun,  (lethargy, headaches, constrained breathing and a fever were my main symptoms) but I was lucky enough not to need hospital treatment... I wear a mask when shopping or on trains, also wear one when entering my local pub, likewise when collecting a takeaway or visiting the barbers. When walking out and about locally there's no need to wear a mask as footfall is relatively light.

 

It's more about consideration for other people rather than myself - not everyone catching Covid will be as lucky as I was and I don't want to increase the risk % for someone else.

 

We still go out and socialise, our social group even went to the Wales V South Africa rugby with 70,000 other fans but still used common sense when appropriate. 

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3 minutes ago, oldjohnny said:

 

 

The future is this.  You will either be vaccinated, cured or dead!

 

 

 

Sorry to snip but this is it in a nutshell.

 

Wearing a mask just shows you give the merest teeny tiny shit about the health of the people into who's working environment (shop, restaurant, train, etc) you are venturing - when you are asked to wear a mask it isn't about you, it's about everyone else.

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At this point, when the facts are proving the numbers are going up and people all around the world are dying, why wouldn't you wear one!?

What impact does it really have on your life, the jab means nothing... you can still catch it jabbed, you can still pass it on jabbed and you can STILL die from it jabbed.... the hope is that fewer people will in total. 

Anyone that wants to be a selfish moron because it upsets them having been told to do so or think they look stupid, or it doesn't go with their clothes... those people need to just crawl into a dark place and stay there. 

I put the none mask wearing folk into the same pond as those who like to clue themselves to roads and think it’s wrong if they get ripped up and thrown to the verge by angry drivers.... if you don't wear one and catch it, or someone you know dies because of you not wanting to wear one.. then you deserve everything you get. 

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41 minutes ago, sharkfan said:

 

Sorry to snip but this is it in a nutshell.

 

Wearing a mask just shows you give the merest teeny tiny shit about the health of the people into who's working environment (shop, restaurant, train, etc) you are venturing - when you are asked to wear a mask it isn't about you, it's about everyone else.

 

Not a snip at all; it's to the point really

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Here in Portugal people have to wear masks in shops, public offices and public transport and it is seen as no big deal. It is proven that mask wearing stops the spread of Covid. Vaccination helps avoid the worst effects of Covid but does not stop you getting infected and passing the virus on. In the UK government spokesmen perpetuate the myth that the UK leads the field in vaccination and rates of infection per 100000 people but even in Portugal we have  higher percentage of people fully vaccinated and a lower infection rate. If I were back in the UK, given the uncertainty about the Omicrom variant I would not be waiting until Tuesday to wear a mask and I would wear one also in confined spaces not covered by the new requirements. You really have to be a bit of a pillock to question the need for mask wearing.

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Here's my take on this.

 

I live near Inverness, and so fall under the 'Nippy' Government.  I work in the Licensed trade.  Covid has been a disaster for our industry.  Some businesses have gone under.  Some still might.  Some will survive.  But the game has changed.  Unless you are drinking at the bar, dancing or sitting at a table, masks must be work.  Broadly speaking, if you run a late night opening place with dancing, you need to be checking vaccine passports.  We still have to sign in to every pub, restaurant, bar etc which we visit.  The cost of staff - especially door stewards - has rocketed.  Energy costs too have soared.  It's a bloody nightmare.

 

In shops and other indoor public spaces, we still have to wear masks - that never stopped.  Yet still, we have a large number of new cases daily.  Even in people with double vaccine.

 

As long as this virus persists, I am OK with wearing a mask in the way I have described.  I am fully vaccinated, and intend to stay that way.  You can never be 100% about these things I guess, but if I got a bad dose of this, it could kill me - or my Wife.

 

If people don't get vaccinated, or refuse masks, or whatever - lockdowns could easily make a return.  Nobody wants that - ESPECIALLY as Furlough may not be an option next time.

 

I must admit that the lives of my family have changed a lot since Covid.  We don't go out much to pubs, restaurants etc.  We shop only when it is necessary - and always with a mask, good hand hygiene etc - so we are doing the best we can to help ourselves.  Life is definitely not the same though.

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The tenor of the original post seems to have changed a bit in the light of the initial replies- or is it my imagination?

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How do you mean?

 

I'm afraid i have a very strong opinion for personal reasons - that may have come across :huh:

 

I get there are exemptions and of course it is free will if you chose not be vaccinated - i felt Austria proposing a mandatory vaccination programme troubling for instance.

 

But all that aside i don't see the hardship in wearing a mask, a bit of social distancing and good hygene if it helps and allows a sense of normailty.

 

Its fairly basic stuff and as i say the worst case is it does nothing but it certainly can't harm you.

 

My biggest issue has been the handling, messaging and guidance from HMG but thats a differnt discussion...

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1 hour ago, stevecvo said:

The tenor of the original post seems to have changed a bit in the light of the initial replies- or is it my imagination?

 

If you read why I've edited my post you'll see; I typed it out on Word but didn't copy it across properly

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i'm happy to play my part in trying to reduce the spread of it. In busy areas/places i wear a mask anyway, and tend to keep my distance too. 

 

The bigger issue is the continuous running from Pillar to post, going from everything -> nothing at the blink of an eye. Especially for a strain (as far as i know currently) hasn't been tested or known for its transmissible effectiveness or its lethality (not that i'm proposing we let it run riot). If it is a high risk variant of an urgent nature, then the rule/law/enforcement should have been brought in ASAP, not 4 days later . . . . (I'm pretty sure Boris is the kind of Chap who would barricade his front door after the flood waters had got in). 

 

Yes masks help, but so does Social distancing. Most people i see wearing masks in shops walk close to others, stand too close in queues and squeeze past people because they think the mask removes all risk. Personally, i'd prefer to have social distancing in place and masks as a recommended option in particular establishments. 

 

 

 

 

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As of tomorrow I'll be 3 Jabs done. Being told I need wear a mask again does make me ask why am I jabbed! I DO FULLY AGREE WITH THE VACCINATIONS AND THE PROVEN SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE BEHIND IT

 

The point of a mask is the minimal chance it might catch a sneeze or a cough. How about doing what your mum taught you as a child, put your hand over your mouth.

These masks give you no protection IT'S A PEICE OF THIN PAPER. This has become about control. If this was about protection it would require a FFFP3 mask.

The government is just trying to convince the public that they are doing something. This all become a farce when they tried to tell the public that Covid can tell the time, Covid can tell if you are sitting down or standing up, Covid can tell if you've ordered food with your pint but covid can't tell if you don't even eat it.

 

Deaths have been relatively steady for months even though the counting method is another farce.

Get run over by a bus less than 28 days from a +covid test and IT'S A COVID DEATH, get run over by a bus after 30 days and you died from being run over by a bus.

 

Did I wear a mask before/ YES.

Did I believe in the reasons for masks? NO

I couldn't be arsed with the confrontation!

 

Look at the so called "law" You don't have to wear one if you are exempt. Legally no-one, even the police has the right to ask you why you are exempt and you don't have to prove it.

 

Being self employed the government completely failed me. 3 months with no work, no income and the refusal of any financial support. Do I trust the government? NO

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Stressed said:

The point of a mask is the minimal chance it might catch a sneeze or a cough. How about doing what your mum taught you as a child, put your hand over your mouth.

These masks give you no protection IT'S A PEICE OF THIN PAPER. This has become about control. If this was about protection it would require a FFFP3 mask.

The government is just trying to convince the public that they are doing something. This all become a farce when they tried to tell the public that Covid can tell the time, Covid can tell if you are sitting down or standing up, Covid can tell if you've ordered food with your pint but covid can't tell if you don't even eat it.

 

Deaths have been relatively steady for months even though the counting method is another farce.

Get run over by a bus less than 28 days from a +covid test and IT'S A COVID DEATH, get run over by a bus after 30 days and you died from being run over by a bus.

 

Did I wear a mask before/ YES.

Did I believe in the reasons for masks? NO

I couldn't be arsed with the confrontation!

 

Look at the so called "law" You don't have to wear one if you are exempt. Legally no-one, even the police has the right to ask you why you are exempt and you don't have to prove it.

 

Being self employed the government completely failed me. 3 months with no work, no income and the refusal of any financial support. Do I trust the government? NO

 

 

 A few things to unpack here...

 

1. If putting your hand over your mouth when you coughed or sneezed was the solution, then the government would have to make that mandatory instead. Do you think that's workable? Nor me, so a mask will have to do.

2. Masks do provide some protection for other people. This isn't a binary question, so if a mask makes other people in a room 20% less likely to catch covid off you then that's worth the minimal inconvenience it causes. I suspect though, that it's more than a 20% reduction.

3. Taking your mask off once seated.. Again, this isn't a binary question. If people wear masks when standing up, then take them off when they sit down, the chances of them passing on covid are reduced overall for the duration of their time there. It's about balancing convenience against risk.

4. If you get run over by a bus less than 28 days from a +ve covid test it's only a covid death for the governents daily stats. Your death certificate won't list covid and the ONS death statistics (the ones used for the proper total covid deaths) won't include you. The only reason the government use the 'within 28 days of a +ve test' statistics is because the more accurate death certificate data takes a long time to be generated. So, the less accurate data is used for fast comparisons with previous days/weeks, and the more accurate death certificate data lags behind this.

5. Claiming you're exempt when you're not, just to get out of wearing a bit of cloth on your face will probably work absolutely fine, however you will then have to deal with the crushing humiliation of knowing that everyone else knuckled down and did their best, while you were a massive, whinging baby. Personally, I'd just put on my big-boy pants and wear the mask.

6. You don't need to trust the government. I certainly don't. But I do trust the scientists - not to be infallible, but to be sensible.

 

 

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These situations are complex.  Wales Scotland etc never got rid of the mask requirement and case numbers are similar to England.

Maybe the problem is compliance.  In our area of South London mask complaince was not great even when mandatory.

For that reason we always wear at least CE marked FFP2 masks and kept doing so even when the rules changed.  To protect self as well as others. 

Like anything in life its a risk assessment.  

By comparison went to Italy in October.  Mask wearing complaince was near 100%.  What do you make of that?  Stricter enforcement,  less mixed messaging?.  Not sure.

To fully enforce masks then mask exeption would need to be made something to be applied for with a card or a badge i would think.  Resources and complexity make it hard to do that and so there is a reliance on people doing the right thing.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Stressed said:

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These masks give you no protection IT'S A PEICE OF THIN PAPER. This has become about control. If this was about protection it would require a FFFP3 mask.

 

 

 

 

The issue with if they mandated this only mask, you would drive a shortage of them (unless a Tory donor has a warehouse full of said masks). And who at the shops/restaurants/etc is going to be on the door ensuring your mask conforms? And what do you do when people can't get these masks - how do they go shopping for Food? Get Petrol? Go to work? 

 

There was a town/region in Germany which did bring this in (it was either this year, or last) and it cause mayhem. It was (as far as i was told) reversed due to the issues it caused.

 

Whilst a papermask does 'nothing' (unsure why Surgeons wear them?) it is more than likely better than nothing. I don't see it as a control measure, but a physical reminder about keeping your distance and doing what you can to try and keep others, as well as yourself safe. 

 

In society you get the 2 extremes at either end of the scale, and then in the middle those who are leaning one way or the other - but aren't fully one side nor the other. It's down to those in the middle which can have the biggest impact to offset those who are actively working against it, as all the statistics are based off averages. 

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2 hours ago, Spandex said:

 A few things to unpack here...

 

1. If putting your hand over your mouth when you coughed or sneezed was the solution, then the government would have to make that mandatory instead. Do you think that's workable? Nor me, so a mask will have to do.

2. Masks do provide some protection for other people. This isn't a binary question, so if a mask makes other people in a room 20% less likely to catch covid off you then that's worth the minimal inconvenience it causes. I suspect though, that it's more than a 20% reduction.

3. Taking your mask off once seated.. Again, this isn't a binary question. If people wear masks when standing up, then take them off when they sit down, the chances of them passing on covid are reduced overall for the duration of their time there. It's about balancing convenience against risk.

4. If you get run over by a bus less than 28 days from a +ve covid test it's only a covid death for the governents daily stats. Your death certificate won't list covid and the ONS death statistics (the ones used for the proper total covid deaths) won't include you. The only reason the government use the 'within 28 days of a +ve test' statistics is because the more accurate death certificate data takes a long time to be generated. So, the less accurate data is used for fast comparisons with previous days/weeks, and the more accurate death certificate data lags behind this.

5. Claiming you're exempt when you're not, just to get out of wearing a bit of cloth on your face will probably work absolutely fine, however you will then have to deal with the crushing humiliation of knowing that everyone else knuckled down and did their best, while you were a massive, whinging baby. Personally, I'd just put on my big-boy pants and wear the mask.

6. You don't need to trust the government. I certainly don't. But I do trust the scientists - not to be infallible, but to be sensible.

 

 

The original post did ask peoples opinions!!

 

If you look at the infection rate when mask become mandatory they went up, just the same as accident rates went up when seat belts became law in 83/84 because people felt safer.

Unfortunately people felt safe because they was wearing a mask, social distancing went out of the window in many situation. The difficulty in convincing my elderly parents

A MASK GIVES YOU NO PROTECTION it is just a theory that it catches a sneeze or cough

Having been required to regularly use respiratory protection for over 30 years including Self Contained Breathing Apparatus, respirators, FFFp3 face masks etc and now teaching H&S and the use of RPE I fully understand the values of protection. Wearing a bit of paper DOES NOT give you protection at all.

3/4 months with face mask in the ventilated classroom 30/40 candidates per week no infections. The following12/14 months without face masks 30/40 candidates per week no infections. Will I be insisting on face masks in the same ventilated classroom tomorrow? No. 

Covid questionnaire form and temp checks YES

 

The government's daily stats were what I was talking about NOT death certs. The government stats are vastly exaggerating the death rate. Whether it takes longer to produce death cert data or not the government does NOT released that information even though they have had plenty of time now.

 

The government a very good at manipulating data. You only have to look at their "speed related accidents" for many years the police report for asked "was the vehicle moving at speed?" yes or no? Therefore every car crash was speed related because if neither vehicle was moving at speed they would not have crashed

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