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It's even worse than that. Take back control of our borders was a huge Brexit straw man that went unchallenged.

 

 

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Feb 2019: What people – even, seemingly, the government – did not realise is that, since 2006, the Free Movement Directive (to give it its formal title, EU Directive 2004/38/EC) has given us exactly the control over immigration that voters demanded.

Why did David Cameron never talk about this during the referendum campaign? Voters were unaware of so much about our relationship with the EU prior to and during the campaign, much of which remained unanswered until long afterwards....

 

The UK is free to implement this policy as it sees fit, and yet it does not, while other countries – including Belgium and Italy – use this legislation to repatriate thousands of EU migrants each year.

If the British public knew this one fact – that we do have control of our borders even inside the single market – the fear of uncontrolled EU immigration would be dispelled. The fact is that EU migration is not unrestricted, and EU migrants are not permitted to burden the state by claiming their Treaty rights.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/we-can-control-eu-migration-we-just-havent-done-it/

 

 

and then it also took nearly 12 months to loosely implement some sort of Covid quarantine hotels for UK airports, long after Oz, NZ and many other Asia countries.

Why? Because the UK has been hollowed out and lacks the necessary command and control infrastructure to even do the basics at our ports and borders. Its quite shocking really.

 

 

 

 

 

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On LBC a caller postulated (not necessarily stated as fact) that maybe the reason we didn't close our borders prior to leaving the EU is that it would expose that point ie we always could....

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The Tories were more than happy to let the EU take the blame for things that they actually wanted to happen, but they knew would be unpopular with a portion of their voters (such as our border controls). They actively encouraged it, in fact. They knew they could do things that would infuriate their more rabid, Daily Mail reading voters and simply cover it up with disinformation about the EU stopping them taking control. Those same voters would lap it up because it played right into their naturally xenophobic, nationalistic views. It's easy to tell someone a lie, if your lie fits perfectly with that persons preconceptions.

 

The thing is, once we've been out of the EU for a while, they won't really be able to blame them for anything. Sure, they'll still try, but they will risk looking weak every time they do, because they can't pretend they have no choice anymore. If they claim the EU is pushing us around, people will just want to know why we're letting them.

 

So over the next few decades, this is all going to be about how fast the UK can recover from the economic hit that Brexit will surely bring in the short term, vs how fast Brexiters die (to put it bluntly). Because the younger generations aren't going to grow up hearing about how the EU is to blame for everything bad in the country. They're going to hear about the 'boomers' who had an easy life, profiting from cheap housing and high employment and then took them out of the EU in the middle of a pandemic. And when that balance tips and sentiment starts to swing the other way, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up rejoining the EU. Rees Mogg reckoned we may have to wait 50 years to see the benefits of brexit - I don't think we'll make it to 50 years outside the EU.

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So the government is telling the EU it won't be doing the checks on goods going into N Ireland which it agreed to do.  It would rather kick the can down the road for a couple of years. Who cares if we renege and break international law?  Nobody thought the deal was oven ready anyway. Did they?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/03/supermarkets-may-get-more-time-to-adapt-to-northern-ireland-trading-rules-brexit

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Let me give a couple of examples of the nonsense contained in the so called 'Protocol' for UK citizens in Northern Ireland.

 

If a JCB is coming back from the mainland after doing whatever, all traces of 'British' soil must be hosed from the vehicle including the tyres and underbody as the EU does not allow the transportation of soil from one part of the UK to another!  Similarly with plants of any description, if any element of soil is contained in the growing medium then they cannot be 'exported' to N.I.  They say it is ok if the potting substance is peat based, the very element everyone is striving to eliminate from gardening to prevent it disappearing completely.

 

To spite Brexit the EU are demanding the implementation of hundreds of similar unnecessary red tape tariffs, the biggest and most concerning of which are the many grocery items falling under the 'Protocol' which is so complex, many UK companies have simply stopped conducting business with Northern Ireland completely.

 

As one who voted remain, I accept completely the democratic wishes of the population, but could never have imagined that I would now be subject to more EU rules and regulations than ever.  Hopefully the Government will stick to their guns in not doing checks until the EU agree to eliminate these non-sensical anti Brexit rules pertaining to which items can be allowed to enter 'ITS' market.

 

 

 

 

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On 04/03/2021 at 12:42, oldjohnny said:

Hopefully the Government will stick to their guns in not doing checks until the EU agree to eliminate these non-sensical anti Brexit rules pertaining to which items can be allowed to enter 'ITS' market. 

The problem arises because N Ireland is effectively still in the single market.  But the mainland is not.  So it's actually the mainland's fault, not the EU's. Certain products from the mainland have to be examined. It's what our government agreed and what is in the Protocol.  But fear not. New controls  which are are due to come in from 1 April and 1 July look liked being shelved.  No part of the UK will be better or worse off because wherever you live in the UK, very little will be subject to physical or documetary check. It is called taking back control of our borders. 

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