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ZF auto transmission fluid change - recommended garages

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Hi all,

 

I have a 2001 525i Auto that hasn't had an ATF change in its life. The car is approximately on 150k miles. 

There are no noticeable big issues with the transmission, but the car will soon be doing long distance journeys and I don't feel comfortable with it right now. 

Everything else on the car is fixed and is no cause of concern. This is the last thing.

 

Doing this job on the driveway is problematic as we don't have a slope to deal with. 

Finding someone to rent out their ramp is also proving to be difficult.

 

Therefore, I am wondering if anyone could recommend an auto transmission specialist who will do a good job with the ZF unit in my car?

Somewhere relatively close to Leicestershire would be good!

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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There is only one place I would trust my car to for this job, Martin Hind at Dartford Transmissions, he has the gear to do a 100% oil exchange. Had mine done last year at 80k. Money well spent, a bit of a trip for you but well worth it. Highly recommended.

 

https://www.dartfordtransmissions.co.uk/

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Busterbvi said:

There is only one place I would trust my car to for this job, Martin Hind at Dartford Transmissions, he has the gear to do a 100% oil exchange. Had mine done last year at 80k. Money well spent, a bit of a trip for you but well worth it. Highly recommended.

 

https://www.dartfordtransmissions.co.uk/

 

 


thanks for the recommendation.

how much should be estimating for this job in general, including the oil, filters etc?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Zahir_213 said:


thanks for the recommendation.

how much should be estimating for this job in general, including the oil, filters etc?

 

 

 

Contact Martin; he'll give you a quote, think it's c£350

 

Another vote for my end of the country is Automatic Transmissions, Preston - James is a tried & trusted mechanic for the ZF autoboxes; they used to be on these forums but they don't frequent as much any more

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Whether to change the oil on  a car that has reached that mileage without ever having had an atf change splits opinion so I suggest understand there is a risk and go into it with your eyes open.  See this post (ignore fact it can get personal).

 

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1 hour ago, Dbcrd said:

Whether to change the oil on  a car that has reached that mileage without ever having had an atf change splits opinion so I suggest understand there is a risk and go into it with your eyes open.  See this post (ignore fact it can get personal).

 

Well that was interesting. I see your comment about split opinions!

 

In terms of worst case, i.e the transmission letting go in the worst way, I’d assume this repair or replacement to be north of £1500 right?

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My view with these things is i take a multitude of opinions from the forums and weight them and take my own view.

 

In answer I think about £2000.  I would go with the views on this forum regarding making sure it's a reputable place that does the work.  My experience and understanding in relation to gearboxes is that there are reconditioners out there who don't change all of the things that need changing.  They can get away with it with a 3 month or a 1 year guarantee most of the time.

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24 minutes ago, Dbcrd said:

My view with these things is i take a multitude of opinions from the forums and weight them and take my own view.

 

In answer I think about £2000.  I would go with the views on this forum regarding making sure it's a reputable place that does the work.  My experience and understanding in relation to gearboxes is that there are reconditioners out there who don't change all of the things that need changing.  They can get away with it with a 3 month or a 1 year guarantee most of the time.

 

About right there; it's always been c£1800-£2k when I've seen folk that have had theirs done etc...

 

If you speak to Martin Hind at Dartford Transmissions or James at Automatic Transmissions, Preston, they'll both say it needs doing and should have been done 60-80k miles etc; even though BMW state 'sealed for life' :roll: 

 

Personally @Zahir_213 - I'd be looking to get it done and done properly; total peace of mind then

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For those debating if rather than when to renew the AFT in their 5HP19, the following may be of interest.

 

Up to 2019 ZF's lubrication guideline TE-ML 11 advised "maintenance free" (oil for life) for a range of transmissions including the 5HP19 unless a severe use caveat applied, namely:

- frequent highway driving in top speed range,
- offensive, sporty driving style,
- frequent trailer operation

In which case they recommended an oil change between "80,000 km and 120,000 km, or 8 years, depending on the load."

 

The 2020 issue section applicable to a 5HP19 now states,

"are filled maintenance-free with specially developed semi-synthetic ATF oils. However, due to the many factors influencing the service life of transmissions in individual operation, ZF recommends an oil change after 150,000 km for its transmissions. In operating conditions with high temperatures and loads, or with unknown vehicle use in the past, it can make sense to change the transmission oil at shorter intervals."

 

Regards

RDL

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So we found a place with a ramp to do this job ourselves.

 

just need to order the correct oil/ filter and gasket.

 

from what I have read, LT71141 or ZF lifeguard 5 is the oil to use.

The ZF stuff is incredibly expensive.

 

So I found Opie oils sell the LT71141 for a reasonable price here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobil-ATF-LT-71141-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-ATF-4-x-1-Litre-4L-/182916388248

 

Does this look like a good price to you guys?

 

Secondly, I need to find a genuine filter/gasket.

I have read stories of poorly fitting filters.

Could anyone recommend a place to get the filter and gasket?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Zahir_213 said:

So we found a place with a ramp to do this job ourselves.

 

just need to order the correct oil/ filter and gasket.

 

from what I have read, LT71141 or ZF lifeguard 5 is the oil to use.

The ZF stuff is incredibly expensive.

 

So I found Opie oils sell the LT71141 for a reasonable price here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobil-ATF-LT-71141-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-ATF-4-x-1-Litre-4L-/182916388248

 

Does this look like a good price to you guys?

 

Secondly, I need to find a genuine filter/gasket.

I have read stories of poorly fitting filters.

Could anyone recommend a place to get the filter and gasket?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

 

Speak to @cotswoldbmwmini for a price and check eBay for genuine parts using the part numbers via RealOEM

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14 hours ago, Zahir_213 said:

So we found a place with a ramp to do this job ourselves.

 

just need to order the correct oil/ filter and gasket.

 

from what I have read, LT71141 or ZF lifeguard 5 is the oil to use.

The ZF stuff is incredibly expensive.

 

So I found Opie oils sell the LT71141 for a reasonable price here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobil-ATF-LT-71141-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-ATF-4-x-1-Litre-4L-/182916388248

 

Does this look like a good price to you guys?

 

Secondly, I need to find a genuine filter/gasket.

I have read stories of poorly fitting filters.

Could anyone recommend a place to get the filter and gasket?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 


I would say that Martin makes a point of saying that just simply dropping the oil and filter isn’t enough and his service includes a pressure flush to get the oil out of additional areas of the box.. not doing it this way can apparently leave a substantial amount of dirty old oil in the box. 

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26 minutes ago, BarryM said:

The ZF website lists registered workshops which will ensure you get genuine parts, makes sense given the importance of getting this right.

Any chance of a link?

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Start here but be prepared to click a few links to find your local specialist as the site has so much info: https://aftermarket.zf.com/go/en/aftermarket-portal/passenger-cars-and-lcv/spare-parts-and-products/transmissions/

 

I found a local transmission expert prepared to change my oil and filter but insisted on providing the stuff which I ordered direct from one of the ZF agents after verifying the gearbox I had in the car

 

 

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Found some old info from when I was planning this in 2012......and although my box is the 5HP24 box I was recommended to use Esso LT 71141 by ZF and that is the stuff BMW sell in their own branded bottles, Opie oils are always good on price so I'd go with that and order the filter direct once you can find the right one.

 

Although this links to E38.org and relates to the 5HP24 box it also includes info on oil filling procedure on page 4 so might be helpful to you: http://www.e38.org/ZF_5HP24_Spare_Parts.pdf

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Zahir_213 said:

I found this genuine ZF kit for a good price in Germany 

https://www.ws-autoteile.com/en/inspection-sets/automatic-transmission-oil-change-sets/ZF-Oelwechsel-Satz-Automatikgetriebe-5HP19-fuer-BMW-3er-E46-5er-E39-7er-E38-Z4-E85_A02013W087

 

Even with 18.95 EUR shipping to UK that seems reasonable to me!


It’s your call pal, your car and your £££, but this, IMO, is a job for a pro and someone who knows what they’re doing,

 

As previously stated by another poster, having it done right, first time and by someone who does this daily, is paramount. More so re the clearing of all the old fluid and replacing it with all new... 

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OK, as someone who was in exactly the same position as you, with my car showing the same mileage (you have obviously read my original post for advice) here's what I did.

Having accepted the advice that flushing a high mileage ZF is probably not a good idea, I got my local garage to carry out a straightforward fluid & filter change. I was glad that I did because the re-fill took all 5 litres of the fluid I supplied, though at 150k the 'box was surprisingly clean. Following my disastrous encounter with Auto-Doc I ordered a genuine filter from Cotswold so I was confident of getting the right component !

As for fluid, I think 'Lifeguard' is a complete rip-off (considering BMW don't produce it anyway) so I went on line & chose an alternative that met exactly the same spec code as the genuine fluid & was considerably cheaper into the bargain.

Hope this helps.

 

nb.  if you do decide to use Lifeguard shop around as prices vary enormously,  which serves to reinforce my views on price :evil:

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FWIW my take on the changing higher mileage is why its being done.

 

If the box is running fine then a proper flush and change seems prudent.

 

If however one is changing oil to try and cure an issue then this seems to be why failures can then occur ie the box was failing anyway.

 

Like trying to fixed a shagged bottom end with thicker oil.

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Thinking of getting this done as a precaution as the box is working fine. 
Is just a drain and filter change ok or should the system be flushed through?

One garage has suggested the former for £200,  and Dartford trans suggest a flush as well for a lot more.

Thanks 

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2 hours ago, simufly said:

Thinking of getting this done as a precaution as the box is working fine. 
Is just a drain and filter change ok or should the system be flushed through?

One garage has suggested the former for £200,  and Dartford trans suggest a flush as well for a lot more.

Thanks 

 

I would go with what Martin Hind at Dartford recommends. He knows his beans... 

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1 hour ago, d_a_n1979 said:

 

I would go with what Martin Hind at Dartford recommends. He knows his beans... 

Great! trouble is I am in Manchester, Preston is doable in a day but not Dartford!

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1 hour ago, simufly said:

Great! trouble is I am in Manchester, Preston is doable in a day but not Dartford!

 

Ah, go and see James at Automatic Transmissions in Preston then pal. 

 

It's him or Martin at Dartford 

 

http://automaticgearboxrepairs.com/

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On 06/09/2020 at 20:01, Zahir_213 said:

I found this genuine ZF kit for a good price in Germany 

https://www.ws-autoteile.com/en/inspection-sets/automatic-transmission-oil-change-sets/ZF-Oelwechsel-Satz-Automatikgetriebe-5HP19-fuer-BMW-3er-E46-5er-E39-7er-E38-Z4-E85_A02013W087

 

Even with 18.95 EUR shipping to UK that seems reasonable to me!

You also need to be aware of correct oil temperature when doing this change. 

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