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^ Any way seems like no one will want this liability M5 of yours, let me do you a favour and i'll take it off your hands. No need to pay me, that's just the kind of guy i am :P

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3 minutes ago, duncan-uk said:

^ Any way seems like no one will want this liability M5 of yours, let me do you a favour and i'll take it off your hands. No need to pay me, that's just the kind of guy i am :P

 

:unsure:  You're too generous!

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I/C engine recieving it's last rights?  Maybe, no matter how good or environmental electric car become they will never have the raison de être of an I/C engined car, which somehow to me, almost have a soul or seem alive.

 

So hopefully I/C will continue, even if in a reduced form.

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^ I'm an enthusiast too and for all sorts of engineering, i just think the reality is burning fossil fuels for personal transport has had its day. Doesn't mean the death of I/C but its hey day has passed.

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3 hours ago, duncan-uk said:

^ Any way seems like no one will want this liability M5 of yours, let me do you a favour and i'll take it off your hands. No need to pay me, that's just the kind of guy i am :P


I’ll have it, and instead of Duncan, I’ll even donate to a charity of your choice for it. The NuckingFuts charity international does wonderful things for people in need of mental health when it comes to buying too many cars ;) 

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On 10/01/2020 at 00:31, NuckingFuts said:


I have to respectfully disagree. 
 

I suspect that the alternative fuel market will encapsulate these and keep them on the road. Not electric batteries but hydrogen or petrol and additive mix or some such. 
 

I don’t think they’ll ever go over the £/$100k mark like one has recently ( but that was due to it being <500 miles used) but they will reach high figures

 

Hi D,

 

I think a big proportion of E39 M5 owners & owners of other similar cars think like yourself, that the asking and thus, actual selling prices for really good/decent/excellent examples will go up / reach high prices. This is fine of course as an opinion and it may well actually happen ! As with these threads online and discussions in real life at shows/events with other owners and similar car owners etc, there's plenty of aspects to go over. 

 

The reasons I think the rises wont' happen for 'most' examples is due to the increasing legislation against older fossil fueled cars, the increasing chance that in 10/15 years time the price of a litre of petrol will be £2.50/3, there'll be big increases in the VED to pay each year for such vehicles (think what the car owners in Southern Ireland pay currently!) many more cities and towns banning the use of fossil fueled cars at any time over the next 5/10+ years, increased insurance loadings for fossil fueled car owners and of course, parts having extra taxation applied and garage owners charging more to service/maintain such cars due to having to pay increased business rates/equipment if they do work on such cars. The worlds major manufacturers are seemingly investing massively into electric driven cars for the future,s o for now, it certainly 'looks' like the future is going to be electric powered cars that can be purchased for personal use. I think those with deep enough pockets to run a petrol powered, older vehicle will be able to absorb these various costs as they increase over the next decade, with many/most deciding not to keep such cars running with respect to their disposable income levels. Chances are that Porsche and higher more prestigious car brand owners will have the disposable income to pay for those increasing costs and the sought after models in their ranges will still those willing and able to purchase at higher purchase amounts. The VERY best, very low mileage, pristine condiction, right spec/colour, fabulously well maintained examples of E39 M5's will have a proportion of potential buyers in 10/15 years time paying maybe £35/40K + for one, but the cars which aren't like that I don't think will sell for anywhere near those figures. 

 

I know the 'current' market has people buying the aformentioned Golf GTi Mk2's and things like Astra GTE's and RS Cosworths, E46 M3's Audi RS4's, as well as the older Escort Mk2, and plenty other cars that have the 'nostalgia' aspect to them, which is fine of course, but think about it, the Fast Classic Ford sector is many enthusiasts in their late 40's and 50's currently, many with kids 15 years old plus. How many of those kids and indeed that generation are going to be paying £60/70/80+ grand for a Ford Escort/Golf Gti Mk2 and similar  in 10/20 years time?!  

 

I may well be totally wrong and time will tell of course!

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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I got a mk6 GTI last summer and absolutely love it. Recently had an APR stage 1 remap, and it has transformed it. It was already reasonably quick and torquey, but now it’s in a different league! :mrgreen: 262bhp/312lbs/ft. In a relatively lightish car. So much fun. Also, still very good on fuel, solid little car. Mine has quite a lot of options too. I would imagine the current 7.5 versions are every bit as good if not slightly better with the 7spd dsg. As mine is the older 6spd dsg. 

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On 09/01/2020 at 21:31, gbrownings said:

 

Funnily enough I was just watching a YouTube thing on M140i v M135i.  Definitely interesting although, having had a BMW since 2006, I was thinking about a change of manufacturer.

 

This was an M135i pulling on to the M4 a while back, not sure what he''d done to it but it made some loud bangs as he was changing gear...similar to a sequential gear box in a Clio I once drove at Palmersport. 

 

When he drops down and pulls away on the slip road the camera car was in 4th gear but had changed to 3rd by the end of the slip road... certainly very quick acceleration from the M135i, as you have an M5 now, I guess a M140i or M135i wouldn't be the true "Beast" or have the "Special" factor that you get now.

 

Excuse the music.... :) 

 

Edited by Seesure

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Quite like the look of these as they are a bit different.   Not sure I want a three door "estate" though and not sure the golf clubs would fit in the boot!

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-C30-T5-R-Design-2010-stunning-condition/303436498466?hash=item46a6398622:g:Hd0AAOSwtoleFPuw

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3 minutes ago, gbrownings said:

Quite like the look of these as they are a bit different.   Not sure I want a three door "estate" though and not sure the golf clubs would fit in the boot! 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/303436498466?ul_noapp=true

 

Interesting review - although it looks a bit tight in the rear....

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Seesure said:

 

This was an M135i pulling on to the M4 a while back, not sure what he''d done to it but it made some loud bangs as he was changing gear...similar to a sequential gear box in a Clio I once drove at Palmersport. 

 

When he drops down and pulls away on the slip road the camera car was in 4th gear but had changed to 3rd by the end of the slip road... certainly very quick acceleration from the M135i, as you have an M5 now, I guess a M140i or M135i wouldn't be the true "Beast" or have the "Special" factor that you get now.

 

Excuse the music.... :) 

 

 

 

Would that be you?  B)

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10 minutes ago, Seesure said:

 

Interesting review - although it looks a bit tight in the rear....

 

 

 

Thanks for posting. Ruled out due to the limited size of the boot.

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31 minutes ago, Steve van hool said:

Just enjoy driving the M5 while you still can before we all go electric in 15 years time.

 

I probably would, but from October 2021 when the Ulta Low Emmision Zone spreads to out to the north and south circulars, the London Mayor wants to charge me £12.50 everytime I take the car off the drive (because it is Euro 3). It already costs me this to go into central London (inside the congestion zone).  Not that I drive into town.

 

Added to which my local authority is upping my resident street parking charge from £120/pa to £280pa from April this year. Charges are now to be based on emissions.  They are out to get us!!

 

I can see this spreading to other cities before 2035. 

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Its happening in Edinburgh at the end of 2020 although wont be enforced for private cars until 2023 as I understand it.

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9 minutes ago, Davidwood said:

As soon as more people go electric the emissions based prices will be a thing of the past and we'll all be paying more than we are now anyway

 

I was wondering over the weekend whether at some point there will be a paradigm shift in attitude and owning an I/C car will be considered as antisocial and be looked upon like smoking, drinking and drink driving and thus push us to electric?

 

I'm not convinced the governments motives match the environments or the individuals needs in any case and if they push us to electric then there will be a deficit in RFL that will need to be found elsewhere as well as the tax take on fuel.

 

I have a theory that governments (of all flavours) have a dilemma with things like fuel/ smoking/ drinking.

 

They need to be seen to have our best interests at heart (to win votes) hence encouraging us to give the above up BUT i imagine the financial benefit to far out weighs the cost of the downsides.

 

Using smoking as an example:

 

Yes the cost of treating a smoking related illness is high but how much have they paid in tax? How many life long smokers just drop off their twig with a huge coronary or similar at little cost to NHS? How many people smoke, give up and have no ill effects?

 

I bet the maths is interesting and smokers give a net cost benefit to the NHS?

 

I imagine a similar argument can be made on fossil fuel (caveated that we must conserve our natural resources and environment)

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The smoker scenario is an interesting one. A short illness and death before pension age for a net contributing tax payer (typically 40% afaik) will cost the NHS but is the undrawn pension pot a net win for UK coffers as a whole?

 

If we were all serious about the environment and inequality we would stop buying shit right away. 

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I was thinking just of the tax on the fags not the pension pot or income tax take.

 

I can't believe its not a win for the government - if it wasn't they would be taxed out of existence!

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