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My car is due for a service and I'm not sure what oil should be used. I normally buy and supply this. I do this so I have  the same oil available when I need to top up the oil. I don't like using different oils. I've always used Castrol, but they are no longer recommended by BMW. My car is a 523i petrol auto. I rang some BMW dealers and one of them uses Mobil 1 and the other uses Shell. My local specialist uses Fuchs. He says that is what BMW use from new and the dealers in Germany. However it is not easy to get.  I contacted BMW customer services who said BMW oil? No help what so ever.

 

What is everyone using and what grade are you using? 

I'm not a fan of 0 rated oil as I find that 2 thin. Am a fan of 5w 30 as I think and from experience the best all rounder.

 

Your advice greatly appreciated.

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Opie Oils are a big Fuchs reseller; have a look on their website

 

IMO; as long as the oil meets BMW LL04 specs and it's the grade you want to run, use it... 

 

I've used ECPs TripleQX 5W30 and 5W40 for years now alongside the Mann filters ECP run. I've never had any issues and for the prices you can get it at; it's worth doing 2-3 changes a year to keep it uber fresh etc :) 

 

Oil, like tyres and like brakes, can be a very personal choice and there can be huge arguments over it etc

 

But, as said, if it meets LL04 specs; it'll be absolutely fine!

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12 minutes ago, asharb123 said:

Hi,

My car is due for a service and I'm not sure what oil should be used. I normally buy and supply this. I do this so I have  the same oil available when I need to top up the oil. I don't like using different oils. I've always used Castrol, but they are no longer recommended by BMW. My car is a 523i petrol auto. I rang some BMW dealers and one of them uses Mobil 1 and the other uses Shell. My local specialist uses Fuchs. He says that is what BMW use from new and the dealers in Germany. However it is not easy to get.  I contacted BMW customer services who said BMW oil? No help what so ever.

 

What is everyone using and what grade are you using? 

I'm not a fan of 0 rated oil as I find that 2 thin. Am a fan of 5w 30 as I think and from experience the best all rounder.

 

Your advice greatly appreciated.

 

BMW do still have Castrol on its recommended oil list. 

 

You won’t notice a difference between 0w and 5w oil as that is the viscosity difference at low - below around - 20degrees C. In the U.K. you’re unlikely to ever get to a point to test this theory. 

 

As has has been said. Make sure the oil is specified as LL04 and either 0w30 or 5w30 and you’ll be fine. I use Shell Ultra Helix ECT C3 5w30 in my cars. 

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As above use any oil that is LL04.

 

Castrol recommend me to use Castrol Edge 5W-30 M. This one says LL04 on the bottle.

 

Using Castrols website they suggest different oils as appropriate but these no longer state LL04 on the bottle.

 

For piece of mind any Castrol oil I use needs to say LL04 on the bottle. 

 

The tie up between Castrol and BMW was just a marketing strategy which has now ended. BMW now recommend Shell Helix which is what you can buy at a dealer, which is the stuff Matthew mentioned. 

Edited by 535i Andrew
5W-30M not 5W-40M

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I bought some of this recently and have used 7 litres of it doing an oil and filter change on my 530d.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F392132640393

 

I'm sure most oil will be fine, whether or not BMW recommend it, as long as it is the right spec. The Castrol GTX above is LL04 and not a bad price.

 

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^ Says LL04 on the bottle, it's good then and is on the link below.

 

46 minutes ago, Cadwell Parker said:

I'm sure most oil will be fine, whether or not BMW recommend it, as long as it is the right spec.

 

I agree and that's what I'm trying to figure out what the right spec is so if the bottle doesn't say LL04 on it but does say...

 

API rating of SN

ACEA rating of C3 

 

which appear to be the main criteria stipulated by BMW along with a suitable grade such as 5W-30 etc, is it o.k.?

 

The Castrol oils tends to have an ACEA rating of A3/B4 which has a slightly higher sulphated ash content than the Shell Helix ultra ECT C3 which is not as good in terms of looking after your DPF.  Does this possibly explain why fewer Castrol oils now say LL04 on the bottle as it's not so good in terms of sulphated ash content?

 

BMW will fill your sump at a service with the Shell Helix Ultra ECT C3 at over £20 per litre.

 

List of "approved oils" for LL04.

 

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f10-535i-lim_201301/repair-manuals/11-engine/11-42-oil-filters-lines/1VnZ1vFi9W

 

But I know not all the Castrol oils on that list say LL04 on the bottle today but did previously.

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I'll suggest any (labled) LL04 like suggested default_smile.png

Oils formulas are constantly changing, also because of environment impact (and available resources).

That's why a brand can have a certification and loose it like Mobil1.

Personally I been using Motul and my second choice is LiquiMoly.

 

 

 

 

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I've always used Castrol and always changed the oil annually. I'm not a high mileage user but believe that changing the oil frequently and using good oil is good for the engine. 

 

Andrew I think you have a valid point about the Castrol oil, because my local BMW specialist where I have my car serviced has said the relationship with Castrol must be more than just marketing as there have been issues with BMW engines which may have something to do with the oil. Speculative I know, but it can't just be all down to money. 

 

I will look out for the LL04 I didnt't know about that. With my E60 it said Castrol on the oil cap so no brainer when it came to oil. I just went on the Castrol website entered my reg and it told which oil. My BMW specialist says that Fuchs is used in Germany and that is the oil that BMW dealers use there and that is the same oil is in the cars new from factory. How true that is I don't know, But the BMW rep has told him that Fuchs is an oil that they recommend. 

 

Dan 1979, thanks, I'll take a look at Opie Oils. website.

 

Thanks everyone, really appreciate the advice.

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8 hours ago, asharb123 said:

there have been issues with BMW engines which may have something to do with the oil.

 

N47 timing chains rattle if they elongate, which is partly blamed on the long oil servicing intervals. 

 

Price of halving the recommended oil servicing interval is nothing compared to the costs of replacing a component that has failed due to insufficient lubrication.  

 

 

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On 20/08/2019 at 22:05, 535i Andrew said:

Does this possibly explain why fewer Castrol oils now say LL04 on the bottle as it's not so good in terms of sulphated ash content?

 

 

BMW have made a slight tweak to the LL04 spec and also now use a different test engine. So there is a new LL04 spec, in my opinion it should have a brand new name, rather than confusing things with the older LL04 spec. But the old LL04 spec is still valid, as is the new one just to confuse things.

 

If you cannot find a BMW LL04 approved oil a ACEA C3 will also do the job as essentially the LL04 comes under the ACEA C3 profile.

 

Cheers,

 

Guy

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5 hours ago, oilman said:

 

If you cannot find a BMW LL04 approved oil a ACEA C3 will also do the job as essentially the LL04 comes under the ACEA C3 profile.

 

 

Thanks for the info. 

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10 hours ago, oilman said:

BMW have made a slight tweak to the LL04 spec and also now use a different test engine. So there is a new LL04 spec, in my opinion it should have a brand new name, rather than confusing things with the older LL04 spec. But the old LL04 spec is still valid, as is the new one just to confuse things.

 

If you cannot find a BMW LL04 approved oil a ACEA C3 will also do the job as essentially the LL04 comes under the ACEA C3 profile.

 

Cheers,

 

Guy

I think the oil technology has come on leaps and bounds.  A good c3 oil is all you need.  I guess what cant be measured is how people use the car.  So lots of stop start cycles at cold will result in more wear and tear.  Most manufacturers will use test mules/rigs in development but they cant test for everything.  My car also has a stop start system that must also put strain on the engine.  It is relatively new tech and I don't recall seeing it before 2010.  My point is that I think it is not just about oil quality but also  a multifaceted situation.  I think you just need a good quality oil that meets the local conditions and more frequent oil changes to play it totally safe. 

 

Car manufactures also buy in bulk and I believe to a certain extent they will recommend what oil they have in stock.  

 

In the UK, I think a 5 30 has the correct temp band and you just need to get the correct spec.  A full synthetic can be had for less than you think.

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15 hours ago, Jimbo07g41 said:

 

In the UK, I think a 5 30 has the correct temp band and you just need to get the correct spec.  A full synthetic can be had for less than you think.

 

Agree a 5W-30 with C3 and SN ratings tick the technical boxes of an LL04 oil. 

 

The oil Castrol recommended to me, is LL04 and is considerably cheaper than the Shell Helix bang up to date stuff. Both meet the same spec so either is fine and it is down to personal preference to what you do use.

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6 hours ago, 535i Andrew said:

 

Agree a 5W-30 with C3 and SN ratings tick the technical boxes of an LL04 oil. 

 

The oil Castrol recommended to me, is LL04 and is considerably cheaper than the Shell Helix bang up to date stuff. Both meet the same spec so either is fine and it is down to personal preference to what you do use.

Well if LL04 meets the spec and is cheaper, I will be looking for that in future.

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Jimbo07g41 - I was using Castrol Magnetic C3 Stop Start 5w-30 on my E60. This was the oil recommended to me by Castrol, even though my car did not have stop start. Castrol did mention that the newer bottles would say Stop Start but it was fine for my car. So there is an oil out there for cars with stop start technology. In the end I used the oil that the specialist was using which was the Fuchs. I need to get some as spare from Opie Oils.

 

Just out of curiosity how much does every one pay or should pay for a full service. By this I mean, oil, oil filter, spark plugs, air filter, pollen filter and brake fluid. 

 

Thanks

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On ‎24‎/‎08‎/‎2019 at 22:45, asharb123 said:

Just out of curiosity how much does every one pay or should pay for a full service. By this I mean, oil, oil filter, spark plugs, air filter, pollen filter and brake fluid. 

 

I paid ~£270 for an oil and pollen filter service last October and my local dealer.

 

From BMW service website

BMW are offering an oil change on mine for £129

Oil with pollen filter £272

Oil, pollen, air filter and spark plugs, £507 which I got done on mine under the first owners service pack :D

Vehicle check service £73.50

Spark plugs £182

Brake fluid £80

 

Basically add up what you need.

 

Obviously that's based on a 6 cylinder for the price of the spark plugs.

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