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Innovadrive NXG-39 / OEM look Double DIN Fascia

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Hi,

 

I've just had an update that a Pioneer head unit that is suitably short depth has been released by them, but seems its a USA model/release currently ;

 

Pioneer short body - https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/NEX/DMH-W4660NEX

 

Right up to date with features and specification with both wired and Wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto which I suspect more head units will go with over the next couple years. 

 

USA pricing is around $600, so anyone looking to import one in I'd estimate it'd cost around the £680/700 level landed with all taxes/duty/shipping and clearance fees paid. I've had a number of people asking if Pioneer have a suitably short depth head unit and they are the last brand to have short enough depth units for the E39 (and E46/E38/E53 etc). Lets hope Pioneer UK decide to release a UK version !

 

**This unit is 1mm too tall to fit into the NXG-39's aperture like the Kenwood DMX125DAB mentioned earlier in the thread.  The quick resolution is mentioned earlier, to file off 1mm of material of the NXG-39, about 10 minutes or so to do it! **

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Hi Dennis,

I will definitely be interested once I’ve bought a 530i (going to view one this week) and have satisfied myself that no big mechanical bills might be on the horizon.

 

Do you know which of the no-mod head units have CarPlay? It’s a must for me coming from a Saab with a retrofitted SPH DA120. Would prefer wireless CarPlay if possible...

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2 hours ago, Joey530i said:

I will definitely be interested once I’ve bought a 530i (going to view one this week) and have satisfied myself that no big mechanical bills might be on the horizon.

You're buying an expensive car built at best 17 years ago... there will be bills and they'll mostly be big :)

 

As for the other question, any double din mechless (no optical drive support) head unit should fit so look for those that support CarPlay. Most of the big names will Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine, etc.

 

https://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/category.asp?m=&c=2809&brandfilter=&features=94&pageItem=12&sort_by_popularity=DESC&v=

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Hi, 

 

Adamhearn - Agreed! These cars are at an age now where some spend could be needed in order to keep them running very well ! Just done a stack of aspects to mine !

 

Joey530i - Hopefully you do find a well kept and great example soon, they are out there so it's a question of finding one !  If you look on page 2 of this thread, I've listed the shallow depth head units that are available and many have Apple CarPlay. You can check the various brands websites for more information and features lists for each. As for wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, there's not many on the market as yet, they're just beginning to become available and currently, they're USA specific models. The Pioneer DMH-W4660NEX for instance, so this would need to be imported if you want Wireless Apple CarPlay now. In forthcoming range updates by all the brands, I'm sure more models with wireless Android Auto/Apple CarPlay will become available. 

 

Just a few little bits of things need doing to my car and then I'll fit in the Alpine iLX-W650 I've just had delivered. Currently, I'm fine with a wired connection to the head unit. 

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Finally got this unit installed in my recently acquired 530i Touring...BMW count now up to 4 lol :ph34r:

 

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It's nice quality and looks like it belongs in the car so I am really happy.  Even I managed to install it so it must be simple :lol:

 

I do keep trying to adjust the volume with the fake "knob" though lol :huh:   Thankfully I have bought a kit that allows for the steering wheel volume up/down and track/station skip to work (and it worked first time amazingly)

 

Thanks to Dennis for the prompt service ;)

 

 

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Hi Splondike,

 

There's more really nice, long since tucked away BMW's coming up onto the market nowadays! you might want to take the various car listing sites of your browser faves lists !

 

Glad you're happy with everything and thanks for the kind words !

 

I'm sure soon enough you'll get used to using the steering wheel buttons.. and easy quick swipes on the screen of the Kenwood too !

 

Will catch you up soon no doubt!

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Hi,

 

I've been in touch with my contacts at Pioneer and Alpine UK and the latest is;

 

Pioneer - There's no plans as yet for a UK release of a short body double DIN head unit like the DMH-4660NEX above which is a USA release. I've registered with them again that they're the last of the high quality, respected brands to offer a short enough depth unit for BMW owners of E39/E46/E38/E53 etc cars. Over time, I'm sure they will eventually release a unit for the UK market !

 

Alpine - Over a year since the  iLX-W650 was released in the USA, and no UK release, in the last few weeks Alpine UK have the iLX-W650BT. It's the UK version of course and I believe available now - https://www.alpine.co.uk/p/Products/head-units/ilx-w650bt  recommended retail is £399 and I'd expect street level pricing to be a little less. 

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Hi,

 

Another new head unit is available from Kenwood. It's the DMX-5020DABS and is a fully featured unit and short body of 75mm. Apple CarPlay/Android Auto, Time Alignment, Parametric EQ, Digital Sound Processing inc active crossove, DAB tuner are headline features and at around £399. It's a UK model too, so should see various retail outlets for it. 

 

A customer has two of these installed and mentions that the NXG-39 didn't need any slight modifying/shaving of the piece to allow the 'nose' of the head unit to fit - which is excellent news - makes fitting easier!

 

Kenwood product page - https://www.kenwood.eu/car/navigation_multimedia/multimedia/DMX5020DABS/?view=details

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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I'm very pleased with the look of my new NXG-39 fascia in my M5, bought from Dennis and fitted by Western Car Radio ("WCR") in Bristol (for which they charged me one hour's labour). I attach some daytime photos but the knobs do light up and dim when the car's headlights are on at night. A great OEM look in my opinion. The head unit is a Sony XAV-5550DB which I like (for the ease of use), although I am no audiophile. WCR had previously fitted the Sony unit with a much less attractive aftermarket fascia (the last photo attached) and I am delighted to have replaced it with something more aesthetically pleasing.

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Hi Derek, 

 

Thank you for the kind words ! I'm glad you like the NXG-39 and the improvement it provides both in terms of what was there previously and aesthetically in your M5's interior !  Great thing is over time you can add better amplifiers and speakers to the Sony very easily and to the level of performance you prefer.

 

Feel free to drop me a line whenever you are wanting to upgrade and can give you some good pointers and retailer recommendations :)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

 

 

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Hi guys,

 

Finally revisiting this topic, can I get an update on which short head units with Carplay will fit the E39 please?

 

From reading it seems the Alpine iLX-W650BT, Kenwood DMX-5020DABand the Sony XAV-5550D(any mods required to make that fit?)

 

Are there any other UK-market options?

 

Thanks!

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Hi Joey530i,

 

I have a list of the head units I know of on page 2 of this thread and some are of course older/discontinued now. I'll call my contacts at Pioneer UK again to see if they have any plans to release a UK specific shallow depth unit anytime soon. Derek has fitted the XAV-5550DB and not mentioned any mods required so perhaps give Western Car Radio a call to ask if they had to modify anything. The dimensions of the opening are in page 1 of the thread and if you look at the brand websites and technical sheets, look for the 'nose' measurements to see if a head unit will fit. The good thing when it comes to 'depth' is all the shallow ones seem to be around 6/9cm or so and thus, easily fit, so no concern there really. 

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Hey Dennis, I think we talked about something for the E38 Chassis a while back and I'm old so I forgot what we discussed. 

I thought  I saw a post where one of the e39 units had been used with fairly good results... 

My e38 is back up and running and it REALLY needs an updated system so I'm reaching out  to poke you :)

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Hi Zukgod,

 

Do take a look on the 'other channel' where a customer used and then modified slightly an NXG-39 in his E38 - https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2419489-Innovadrive-NXG-39-OEM-look-Double-DIN-Fascial-for-the-E38&highlight=NXG-38

 

For now, an E38 specific version is on the backburner, the E46 is the current one I'm working on having go into production then it'll be a choice between the E38 and E53 versions depending on demand etc.

 

If you want to go the route Franco did, drop me a PM and one will be quickly winging it's way over to you :)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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8 hours ago, jicaino said:

Are the knobs rotary encoders and the buttons could be used as analog inputs for blackberry or arduino units? this looks nice!

 

Hi Jicaino,

 

The knobs are aesthetic only, they don't turn/move. Whilst designing, I evaluated making them functional and decided not to for various reasons - I wouldn't be doing the reverse engineering a head unit to make a volume rotary knob work/interface with it due to costs and what would be minimal demand. The subsequent costs to design, develop and then manufacture a small interface unit and make the knobs rotary would push retail costs significantly higher due to those increased development/manufacturing costs increases. 

 

What I did do is have a Port on the PCB included to which a connector can be attached and the button presses become detectable. A 'home brew' DIY project could then use the logic output for whatever purpose/control is wanted/needed :)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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6 hours ago, DennisCooper said:

 

Hi Jicaino,

 

The knobs are aesthetic only, they don't turn/move. Whilst designing, I evaluated making them functional and decided not to for various reasons - I wouldn't be doing the reverse engineering a head unit to make a volume rotary knob work/interface with it due to costs and what would be minimal demand. The subsequent costs to design, develop and then manufacture a small interface unit and make the knobs rotary would push retail costs significantly higher due to those increased development/manufacturing costs increases. 

 

What I did do is have a Port on the PCB included to which a connector can be attached and the button presses become detectable. A 'home brew' DIY project could then use the logic output for whatever purpose/control is wanted/needed :)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

 

Great to know Dennis, a couple of rotary encoders wouldn't have added a significant cost. But more than half the work's already done there... I always thought of cutting up one head unit and stuff it with some more modern headunit. This is kind of close to that.

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4 hours ago, jicaino said:

 

Great to know Dennis, a couple of rotary encoders wouldn't have added a significant cost. But more than half the work's already done there... I always thought of cutting up one head unit and stuff it with some more modern headunit. This is kind of close to that.

 

Hi Jicaino,

 

I did evaluate it, and the costs would have been for 2 extra PCBs & components, re-design of the fascia itself for the mountings/fixing points/hole and a way to prevent the light leakage from the main PCB board. There'd have also been another mould to make/tool up for and to then have production run/batches made. So the costs ramp up for what is very, very little demand.

 

You can take an oem 16:9 monitor, gut it out and remove the OEM electronics and re-populate with brand new electronics, I've seen it done with an Alpine head unit. It's an option for sure. It's the cost of the new head unit and in most cases, giving it to an electronics specialist to reverse engineer, create custom electronic interfaces to integrate with the OEM buttons and functions and then to physically fit the new head unit PCB's and electronics into the casing. I've got a monitor piece here I converted with a small Kenwood display and kept the flip down/up panel function but it doesn't integrate with the oem buttons, they stay lit up but non functional and did this as part of my research. So your idea again, quickly becomes very expensive to do, you save alot if you can DIY all the electronics integration and make your own 'home brew' circuit boards though!

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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