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Hi everyone,

Do we have here any previous Lexus owners?

I am thinking to take for a test drive a 2012 GS hybrid model, being Lexus I think it should be bulletproof reliable, quite, comfy and decently economical. I got out of my BMW 35-37mpg average, so Lexus should do better a bit.

I know this is not a drivers car but I am considering my options here, Jaguar, Mercedes both being diesel and Lexus a hybrid, just not sure if I need a little brake from BMW, please don't shoot me! lol.

I am looking for the car for about £20k with lower mileage and decent running cost.

I still love 330d or 335d xdrive though! :)

 

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Hmm, I just realized I know nothing about other cars but BMW and mostly 5 series! :(

I need to do all the reading again, may be join other forums, probably visit the dealership if I have questions, a lot basically! I don't have time for that! 

Can we just buy a car and just know there won't be any problems with it! lol

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I doubt you'll regret buying a Lexus to be honest.  Sharp looking, drives well, economical for a thing that size and..........RELIABLE!!!

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Lexus are up there for me, sadly they don't have a reasonable hatch /estate for my needs. I also hear that the dealer experience is excellent along with the warrant. 

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19 minutes ago, sshooie said:

I also hear that the dealer experience is excellent along with the warrant. 

This is what I heard, quite a few times, I really want to try it, will see how it goes on Sunday.

Just feel sorry if I have to trade in my BMW to them but I might not have time to sell it privately! 

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I've also got my Lexus LS460 along side my E39 540I Touring.Had a 1999 Lexus GS300 Sport before trading up to the LS460. Had zero issues with either of them.

Most Lexus dealers do a 24hr test drive experience so that might be worth doing.

UK Owners Forum -  https://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/ 
USA Owners Forum - https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ (You'll find the US forums more active than the UK one)

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1 hour ago, Jay_w said:

I've also got my Lexus LS460 along side my E39 540I Touring.Had a 1999 Lexus GS300 Sport before trading up to the LS460. Had zero issues with either of them.

Most Lexus dealers do a 24hr test drive experience so that might be worth doing.

UK Owners Forum -  https://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/ 
USA Owners Forum - https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ (You'll find the US forums more active than the UK one)

Jay, I will defo look into these, thank you for the links.

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Hi Vlady,

I recently moved from 5er to lexus and got a gs450h. Before getting it I had dilemma about these whether these will be as gd as a BMW but since  a I got it, it has washed away all my dilemmas. So far I m very happy with my purchase, I can echo about the dealer experience.

 

I appreciate that for some still it is not as good as a BMW but tbh it is massively underrated car and will perform if not better, equally to any German rival n leave them to dust with features that come with it as standard. If you decide to go for one, please ensure to get it thoroughly checked n where possible get a extended warranty from Lexus as well. 

 

Mine is 07 model but still has enough poke in it to put quite a few car to shame....

 

Re the fuel economy the best I had is 42mpg and mostly getting 35mpg in city driving. Bear in mind it's a 3.5 V6 engine accompanying the hybrid system. Combined with petrol n hybrid system we are looking for approx 349bhp, relying only on petrol will result in approx 292 bhp. 

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3 hours ago, manee said:

Hi Vlady,

I recently moved from 5er to lexus and got a gs450h. Before getting it I had dilemma about these whether these will be as gd as a BMW but since  a I got it, it has washed away all my dilemmas. So far I m very happy with my purchase, I can echo about the dealer experience.

 

I appreciate that for some still it is not as good as a BMW but tbh it is massively underrated car and will perform if not better, equally to any German rival n leave them to dust with features that come with it as standard. If you decide to go for one, please ensure to get it thoroughly checked n where possible get a extended warranty from Lexus as well. 

 

Mine is 07 model but still has enough poke in it to put quite a few car to shame....

 

Re the fuel economy the best I had is 42mpg and mostly getting 35mpg in city driving. Bear in mind it's a 3.5 V6 engine accompanying the hybrid system. Combined with petrol n hybrid system we are looking for approx 349bhp, relying only on petrol will result in approx 292 bhp. 

How manee, thanks for your time and input, I appreciate that.

What do you mean by thoroughly checked, is there anything in particular needs checking apart from usual - condition, service, paint etc.

cheers

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 I've always liked the look of the GS, it's a very handsome car IMO, and have you seen the performance figures for the 450H? :shock: It's a proper sleeper!

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Hi Vlady,

By thoroughly checked over I meant all the usual checks plus checks for the shock absorber replacement, for instance in case of the model I have, ranges from 2006-2011, is known to eat shock absorber especially rear, due to the constant hybrid battery weight in that area. It's not a light battery by any means lol. 

Other than that I would also suggest to get the seller check the hybrid system by lexus, thought it is not expensive (under 100 on its own; iirc) but gives you a piece of mind as normally this check up comes with 1 year warranty for the system, depending the car is under 10 years old. Normally lexus cover the hybrid cars for upto 10 years, I am sure someone will correct it if I am wrong, but iirc it's a 10 years period. 

Other than these two additional checks every thing is like any other car. Re the hybrid battery, I had the dilema what I will do if anything goes wrong with battery, however since I got this car I figured out it's not as bad as it looks like. The batteries can be refurbished as well. So all in all what I understood from my experience is that it will not be more expensive to keep as compared to any BMW. 

Hope I was able to answer your question. Any other issues or questions, if you have I will be happy to assist. 

Regards

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1 hour ago, NWJW said:

 I've always liked the look of the GS, it's a very handsome car IMO, and have you seen the performance figures for the 450H? :shock: It's a proper sleeper!

Hi NWJW

As I said previously it is very underated car. It outperforms it's German rivals with such a comfort that can only be understood when u drive it for some time. I may be wrong but not everyone is ready to give it a fair chance either due to hybrid system perception and/or overshadowed by German marques.

I appreciate that some people may say that ooh it sounds like a drone due to its gearbox, where revs stay constant and gear changes as per selected rev range, but to me that's the beauty of it as u don't have to wait or don't have to face any lag, just put Ur foot down and power is instantly there, infact it is there from stand still. U don't have to wait to reach certain revs to optimise the power output. 

Yes it is a proper sleeper, I can vouch for it, sometime I simply play by acting like a granny driver, but when no one is expecting then simply press a little bit of happy paddle n see others in my back view mirror. 

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2 hours ago, NWJW said:

 I've always liked the look of the GS, it's a very handsome car IMO, and have you seen the performance figures for the 450H? :shock: It's a proper sleeper!

Looking on paper this a fast car and may be considerably economical, will see. :)

 

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1 hour ago, manee said:

Hi Vlady,

By thoroughly checked over I meant all the usual checks plus checks for the shock absorber replacement, for instance in case of the model I have, ranges from 2006-2011, is known to eat shock absorber especially rear, due to the constant hybrid battery weight in that area. It's not a light battery by any means lol. 

Other than that I would also suggest to get the seller check the hybrid system by lexus, thought it is not expensive (under 100 on its own; iirc) but gives you a piece of mind as normally this check up comes with 1 year warranty for the system, depending the car is under 10 years old. Normally lexus cover the hybrid cars for upto 10 years, I am sure someone will correct it if I am wrong, but iirc it's a 10 years period. 

Other than these two additional checks every thing is like any other car. Re the hybrid battery, I had the dilema what I will do if anything goes wrong with battery, however since I got this car I figured out it's not as bad as it looks like. The batteries can be refurbished as well. So all in all what I understood from my experience is that it will not be more expensive to keep as compared to any BMW. 

Hope I was able to answer your question. Any other issues or questions, if you have I will be happy to assist. 

Regards

HI manee, thank you again, can I just ask a dealer to carry a check on a battery at Lexus? The garage I am planning to take a test drive is not Lexus but the car has full Lexus history, that adds a bit of piece of mind I guess.

manee, is there a different way of driving a hybrid compared to a conventional car? Like less braking or more gently acceleration? My neighbour has a Nissan Leaf and said it completely changed his way of driving! 

The car I will be looking at is 2012 (new model). I popped in to a local Lexus today just to study a car and seat in, touch it, close/open doors, check the boot space etc, tbh I liked it, even boot space is decent enough for my needs. I really hope fuel consumption is acceptable and it is as nice to drive as I most reviews say! 

Thanke manee.

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Hi Vlady,

 

yes I believe that you can take your car to any lexus dealer and ask them to do a stand alone hybrid system check. Mine is over 10 years old but it came with full lexus history, therefore I was not much worried; even though I purchased from a non lexus dealer.  

 

Apologies I was not much clear about the hybrid warranty, the standard mechanical warranty for hybrid cars; as per lexus official website is 60k or 5 years, which ever come first; but you can get extended warranty from lexus directly that should take you to the 10th year, this is the jest I observed after reading on lexus forum and on internet. Please correct me if I am wrong. As you mentioned earlier that the car you are looking at is 2012 model, so if I am not wrong the hybrid system should still be under warranty; being less than 10 years old. anyway I am attaching the link from lexus uk website, which can give you some idea about warranties. the link is https://www.lexus.co.uk/owners/warranty/.

 

The other thing I can think off, you can ask the selling dealer to get it serviced at lexus, the link to their service pricing is as under, please note that the if your vehicle is hybrid, the hybrid system check is included in that service. the link is https://www.lexus.co.uk/owners/servicing-and-maintenance/.  

 

Regarding the driving style, sorry I have no idea what it feels like to drive a Nissan Leaf; Sorry. But if we are talking about GS450h, no there is no difference in driving a hybrid compared to conventional car, other than it just moves effortlessly thanks to CVT gearbox. the only thing I can say about the gentle acceleration is, if you are super conscious about the fuel economy especially in the city, keep it under 30 and it will run mostly on the battery juice; but it will not last for ever so the engine has to kick in from time to time to top-up the battery.

GS450h is a performance hybrid saloon, so it is quite loaded up with battery cell, iirc the normal Prius holds 20 battery cells, however GS has 40 battery cells, so it will empty the batteries pretty quick.

When I am talking about the battery usage, please don't misunderstand when I say it will empty the battery means it will literary drain the hybrid battery. Every car is programmed to use battery in safe range, when it shows purplish bar (in a normal mode the bars are blue coloured), it means it is near to min ideal safe limit  (say 80%); and the engine will kick in to recharge the battery; but as soon as it will be more than minimum safe limit and you are driving under 30, the hybrid system will kick in and turn off the engine without any judder. 

 

There is mostly a top bar space, that remains empty unless you drive on along downhill stretch of road, which help to turn the battery bars in green, but again it is still programmed not to over charge the battery. Same when you leave the accelerator or apply the breaks the system start to recharge the hybrid battery. in this way it will keep the battery happy.

 

Regarding your experience about popping in a lexus dealer ship and having a feel about the new cars, I can totally understand where you are coming from. After getting my lexus, I had a chance to pop in my local lexus dealership, after looking at the cars there, I am of the view that lexus has totally changed the game, I went to a bmw dealership prior to going to lexus dealer ship, since then I am of the view that lexus has full potential to be a new market trend in coming future like once merc was, then it was bmw , then it was VAG group; and now mostly marques look the same and without character from distance. this is my personal view, every one has a right to disagree with it.

 

So if you will end up with a GS 450 hybrid , I believe that you will not regret it, though you may need some time to get used to new car. I have been through this phase and believe me I am not looking back rather I look forward to a more refined and punchy car.

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2 hours ago, Vlady said:

Looking on paper this a fast car and may be considerably economical, will see. :)

 

As per my current experience, you will get 34-36 mpg in a city in summer, but as per reported it will drop to mid 20s in winter :o, depending on the temp. I have not experience this yet as I got my car in end of April.

Recently on a 400 miles round trip, my tank average was 40 mpg :rolleyes:.

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8 hours ago, manee said:

 the link is https://www.lexus.co.uk/owners/warranty/.

 

The other thing I can think off, you can ask the selling dealer to get it serviced at lexus, the link to their service pricing is as under, please note that the if your vehicle is hybrid, the hybrid system check is included in that service. the link is https://www.lexus.co.uk/owners/servicing-and-maintenance/.  

 

 I look forward to a more refined and punchy car. Its got to be Tesla! lol! :)

Manee thanks for links above and shared info. I will try to get the seller to do a battery check, not sure about the service though, I mentioned a few times SERVICE to them and they keep saying if it is more than 4k miles till next one they won't do it. If I get to test drive it I will update you! :) 

I will have a look through your links anyway.

Manee, thank you and have a good weekend.

Vlady

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Hi all, well I had a test drive yesterday, not the best one as it was on streets in Edinburgh with speed mostly limited to 20mph not the roads surface quality was not the best at all, what does council do will all the road tax we are paying?! Anyway, here are my thoughts, tbh honest I was left in such a mixed feeling, usually I know straight away if I like the car or not, very rarely when I can fell in love with the car and the older I get the harder to get that feeling!

Good points: Comfy, quiet and with plush interior, fantastic Mark & Levinson sound system, more spacious than I expected and adjustability of these front sits are crazy, also I think the car looks good and the rarity factor present, I still have to see one GS since I have been looking at this one! Almost forgot, the car is fast and the engine sounds distant but has nice sound to it.

So, all these points tell me go and buy it but let’s get to the points I didn't like or these that will be annoying me (maybe) later in ownership.

Bad points: I know this is this particular car but on a test drive the car kept pulling left, something I experienced with run flat tyres, the tyres looked like had the right pressure, so not sure what the cause. The ride I bit crashy, thanks God it’s not noisy but as I mentioned above the roads condition is atrocious and it felt like the car designed more for highway than dealing with potholes. The car has a very light steering, not sure if I like it or don’t, it’s just different to my BMW tbh every other car steering is lighter than BMW I think. I couldn’t get an average mpg as OBC was showing graphs and I couldn’t figure out how to read it so infotainment system is totally different to Germans, everyone says I should get out of it about 35-38mpg.

I think I like the car but the garage was not willing to negotiate on price at all and paying £20k for a 6 years old car not ideal, I found I can get 15plate 3 series in x-drive form with 3.0ltr diesel engine with half the miles this Lexus has! But Lexus is so rare and it’s Lexus!

I also have noticed that rear tyres have enough thread just now but before wet season starts you will need a new pair.

What shall I do?! My wife suggests to try couple more cars before I make my decision, like Jag, Merc or another BMW. Not 100% sure I want to stay conventional!

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One more thing that was annoying, the car had couple squeaks, one I managed to trace to seat belt adjustment push button and was really really surprised how cheap it's made and how shaky and wobbly it is, another one was coming from front passenger side but I could not spotted it. This things would drive me mad! 

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Hi Vlady

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I will try to answer some of your concerns.

Re the lighter steering, please note that it does have electric power steering, not the hydraulic power steering; secondly it is speed sensitive steering box, which I believe you know better than me, that's why you were feeling it light at lower speeds. Honda steering feel is also very soft and light. 

 

Re the fuel consumption, normally the average is coming under the graphs like in the attached photo. When I got my car, initially I was struggling to navigate my way around MFD system, but after spending 15 mins with it, it was as easy as any other familiar system. 

 

Normally there is a complete array of buttons hidden in the right hand side of steering, which control all these changes. I am talking from my experience from my car (mk3). I am assuming it's the same in this model (mk4) as well. 

 

Re the price of the car, I am sure you can find them a bit on lowered price if you search around, You can find it. I just had a quick look on eBay  and there is a 2012 car with 95 k miles, and the seller is asking less than 15k. Though it has been there for some time which I think will give you a good negotiable hand. Before anyone jumps in to say I need to be a gold member for advertising, please bear in mind this is not my car and I am just reffering to the price as a guide. 

 

Re the car pulling to the left, I read about it and had it felt since I got it but I blame it on tracking. I believe my car may need a full 4 wheel tracking/ alignment. 

 

Re the squeaks, lexus has been criticized for a long time for not doing something to eliminate these squeaks in the cabin. But I put it down on individual car, as some cars do and some cars don't at all. I would suggest to look for any other lexus and drive it, so you can compare it. 

But if for any reason you get a squeak, there is always way to eliminate it. For example if you are having a squeak from passenger side, it might be the centre console coverings which are rubbing with main console and making noises, you can simply put some small bump stopper in between them to eliminate it.

 

Hope I was able to help you. 

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Just a quick update if anyone interested. :)

Love the car so far, it is quite, has very good sound system and very comfy and at this moment of time it suits me perfectly!

I am averaging so far 38-40mpg which is not bad for a 3.5L V6 petrol and probably this is the best I can get. Well, this is better than was my e60 by about 10% and I do exactly the same commute!

The only issue I had so far was with the Tire pressure sensor, apparently Lexus has one of these sensors in each wheel and one didn't work! The price for one sensor from Lexus is £90 plus labor plus coding so it is not cheap but gladly the garage I bought the car from agreed to pay for it, so I am happy now as everything works! :)

Vlady

 

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