It is currently Fri Sep 03, 2010 02:54

The Team: Admins: donut, fellie, bigpow, sandip, robbo :: Moderators: alpinaman, alun, duncan-uk, sepia, splondike, rob-the-viking
Click the Shop link to become a Gold Member!
More information here

All times are UTC



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 20:37 
Offline
Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2006 19:32
Posts: 6614
Location: Norfolk 'N' good
Fitted the beam mounts to the 525i today so I though i'd do a little guide as to how a BM technician does them :D

1. you will need the following tools

22mm Impact Socket
13mm Impact socket
Compressor and impact gun (preferably)
Hammer and cold chisel
Centre Punch
Breaker bar
Blowlamp
Idealy a ramp!
or Trolley jack and some tall axle stands
A pry bar or similar.

To make a Puller you will need:

length of 12 or 14mm threaded rod
Nuts to suit above
A 2 leg puller to butcher
Steel Disc (1/2 inch at least) with an od of 67mm
Steel ring 75mm (approx) in height 67mm id
Some heavy (inch at least) steel bar I suggest

When you jack up the car, I suggest you put the front stands under the chassis legs and the rear stands on the sills or rear jacking points.

If you're worried about your tender underside, use some 4x2 on top of the axle stands to spread the load.

Don't put the stands under the rear beam as you need to be able to drop the beam down to remove and refit the bushes

Step one: loosen the two 13mm bolts on the dog bone, using impact gun or ratchet.

Image

Step two: Loosen the 22mm nut on the bottom of the beam mount, using impact gun or breaker bar.

Image

Step 3: Lift the rear seat

Step 4: with the beam bush nut still in place, but loosened, hit it upwards with a big hammer!

Image

Step 5: When you cannot move the bolt any further up through the bush, remove the nut and strike the bolt with a centre punch and hammer until it is free of the bush.

Image

and remove bolt (under back seat)

Image

Step 6: Using the hammer and cold chisel, knock the bottom of the bush lip inwards on opposite sides so the puller can seat on the beam mount carrier.

Image

Step 7: Assemble your puller, you may need to lever the beam downwards slightly using a bar to gain access to the top of the bush

Image

Step 8: begin winding the puller, when the outer rubber of the bush has moved slightly away from the bottom edge of the beam mount carrier stop.

Image

Step 9: Now heat the metal outer with a blowlamp.

Image


I strongly suggest you cover your arms hands and face for this as the rubber can (and did) spit and molten rubber on your skin isn't very nice!

Heat for 2-3 mins (approx) to soften the rubber.

Step 9: Working quickly, start winding the puller until the bush is about halfway out of the metal carrier, then stop and re-heat with blowlamp. (as above)

Image

Step 10: You should then be able to wind the bush all the way out no problem.

Image

Step 11: with the bush removed, you need to clean the debris from the inside of the metal outer. We used an electric power file but a wire brush in an electric drill would suffice or good old sand paper.

Take your time and get it as clean as you can removing the old rubber and any corroded bits it will make fitting the new on 100% easier

Image

Step 12: Now you're ready to fit the new bushes, lube the bush slightly with the BM technicians lubricant of choice, fairy liquid.

step 13: you'll need to change the set up of your puller, for this use a piece of the threaded bar with the 67mm ring on the top of the bush mount, the flat bar on top and a nut, again you may need to pry the beam down a little to get access.

Image

Ensuring the assembly of your puller is 100% square on the top and the bush is lined up straight and the groove in the bush is lined up with the nobbles in the carrier.

Image

You can get it started by hand.

Image

Put another piece of bar on the bottom of your threaded rod and another nut.

Wind the nut on the bottom of your threaded rod to push the bush into the carrier.

Image



If it starts to go off square stop, back it off and start again

Step 14: Once the bush is full home in the mount, drop the bolt back in from under the back seat, you may need to wiggle the beam to get it to drop in.

Step 15: Once the bolt is in place, using a trolley jack, jack the beam up into position and re-attatch the dog bone to the beam mount with the 22mm nut using a breaker bar

Step 16: Re-attatch the two 13mm bolts at the other end using a ratchet.

Jobs a good un, started at 1pm finished at 3.30pm.

This job ain't that hard of you fashion some pullers, which is very easy.

Image

An old two legged puller, some threaded bar, some nuts, a gear from a micra gearbox et voila!

Image

Same threaded bar, an old wheel bearing shell, amd two bits of inch steel with a hole through the middle.

Any questions, please ask and thanks to Duncan all round legendary mechanic and BMW trained technician :wink:

And I hope this guide is of some help guys :D

_________________
Image
Just an Avus Blue E34 M5 3.8 now 8)


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:19 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 18:22
Posts: 13887
Location: Herts
Quote:
and thanks to Duncan all round legendary mechanic and BMW trained technician


No problem :lol: :lol:

obviously that wasn't me :roll:

nice write up - i have powerflex bushes for my rear beam which i have shied away from fitting - puller looks fairly straight forward though.

_________________
Image

www.duncanjamesdesign.com

Need arch rolling? Click here! Archenemy

andyb wrote:
OK I give in I actually quite like the M535i look, especially in white with black wheels


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:26 
Offline
Advanced Member

Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:33
Posts: 1258
Location: Derby
Looks a good write up, however in a Haynes star stylee, I'd rate that as a twenty star nightmare - there's even a possibility of injury!!

_________________
Stewart Tranter
1987 E30 318i
2008 Fiat Bravo


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 14:44 
Offline
Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2006 19:32
Posts: 6614
Location: Norfolk 'N' good
stranter wrote:
Looks a good write up, however in a Haynes star stylee, I'd rate that as a twenty star nightmare - there's even a possibility of injury!!


Not as hard as it looks tbh, mind you, watching somebody do it who's probably done 100's helps!

As does having the right gear, and knowing which order to do things.

Stu, multimeter is all packed up, just need to get to the post office!

Duncan, next time you're in Norfolk visiting the inlaws, maybe we could persuade duncan to do yours for the price of a curry and a few chilly ones....

_________________
Image
Just an Avus Blue E34 M5 3.8 now 8)


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 08:53 
Offline
Advanced Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2003 14:56
Posts: 1448
A friend and I recently changed these on my car. We did some head scratching as to how to support the rear of the car as I was not comfortable using the sills. We found that axle stands placed each side under the driveshafts, where they bolt to the drive flanges, would support the car and still allow the beam to be pulled down enough to remove the bushes. We did also place stands loosely under the sills for added safety.

I would also recommend replacing the bushes with the Powerflex type mentioned by Duncan, these are fitted by hand and make the job much easier.

BTW, I thought the 'dog bone' was the Pitman Arm that bolts between the trailing arm and the beam? To the right of the pic in Step 4.

_________________
Andrew


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 09:08 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 18:22
Posts: 13887
Location: Herts
hmm that could be a plan.

At the moment they're low on the list as a had new ones fitted just after i got the car 3 years ago but i will be doing it when i get the time!

_________________
Image

www.duncanjamesdesign.com

Need arch rolling? Click here! Archenemy

andyb wrote:
OK I give in I actually quite like the M535i look, especially in white with black wheels


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 13:01 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2005 09:19
Posts: 489
Location: Cheltenham
Fantastic write up! Seems easier than the electric saw route on Big Coupe forum too.

Has anyone got the Powerflex beam bushes fitted?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 13:49 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 18:22
Posts: 13887
Location: Herts
ok i've been looking at the puller - how does the 12mm section of threaded rod fix to the fatter threaded rod of the puller?

as i see it the cog spreads the load over the top of the bush and you wind the puller up (the legs 'bracing' it against the chassis)

are the two bits welded or threaded or what?

_________________
Image

www.duncanjamesdesign.com

Need arch rolling? Click here! Archenemy

andyb wrote:
OK I give in I actually quite like the M535i look, especially in white with black wheels


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 15:19 
Offline
Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2006 19:32
Posts: 6614
Location: Norfolk 'N' good
The larger section of rod is M16 and came with the puller which duncan threaded on a lathe to take the M12 rod as M16 rod won't fit through the bush.

M12 rod would be fine, thats the size we used to pull the new bushes back in, and will take the strain no problem.

Most large pullers have seem to have 12mm rod.

Yes powerflex bushes are easier to fit but I believe it makes the ride much more harsh, perhaps less noticable though on a m-tech equipped car than my 525.

And you've still got to get the old ones out which is 3/4 of the job, getting the new ones in is fairly easy tbh.

@ Duncan Correct, thats how is works, but the legs brace against the rim of the bush holder on the end of the beam.

who said architects were all idiots with no practical sense :lol: (no offence m8 :wink: )

@ Jonah I'd never heard that bit called the dog bone either! Correct term is push rod iirc.

_________________
Image
Just an Avus Blue E34 M5 3.8 now 8)


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 15:25 
Offline
Advanced Member

Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:33
Posts: 1258
Location: Derby
Robbo wrote:
Stu, multimeter is all packed up, just need to get to the post office!

Cheers! I'm more at home with one of them than fabricating tools on a lathe! It makes the £80 a corner charged by my indie to change these bushes seem a total bargain!

Stewart

_________________
Stewart Tranter
1987 E30 318i
2008 Fiat Bravo


Last edited by stranter on Wed Jul 04, 2007 16:08, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 16:02 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 18:22
Posts: 13887
Location: Herts
Quote:
who said architects were all idiots with no practical sense (no offence m8 )
:shock: :lol:

None taken, i much prefer being hands on - i striped my old house back to a shell and re-built that on my own and i prefer (when i can) to do all my own work on the cars.

Obviously at somepoint i need access to fancy machinary (lathes, presses, welders etc) and then i carefully select who meets my fussy standards!

infact i'd love just to be able to potter around a garage like jimmy's!

That said many of my conteporaries didn't know their @rses from their elbows for many years after we left college!

I was basically brought up on building sites & I always listen to the old boys on site (or workshops) - they know more about any particular aspect of their trade than i ever will but i know enough about them all to pull them together! - thats the trick

The architecst your thinking about are the ones who think they know it all! and there are many.... :wink:

_________________
Image

www.duncanjamesdesign.com

Need arch rolling? Click here! Archenemy

andyb wrote:
OK I give in I actually quite like the M535i look, especially in white with black wheels


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 16:11 
Offline
Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2006 19:32
Posts: 6614
Location: Norfolk 'N' good
I'm in the building trade, i've heard so many times "now the architect would like us to do this"

and the reply from the knowledgeable old guys you mention comes "well maybe he'd like to come and show us how the fnuk fnar we are meant to do that" :wink:

My sister is a trained architect but is now a commercial manager for a facilities management company? (waste of 7 years @ uni but there is no telling her!)

She said the same as you when at uni, some of the students came up such with pie in the sky ideas, offering no concideration whether it was actually buildable or practical for the people who would build it.

I was only jesting you know that.

We've strayed from the subject...

_________________
Image
Just an Avus Blue E34 M5 3.8 now 8)


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 16:14 
Offline
Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2006 19:32
Posts: 6614
Location: Norfolk 'N' good
duncan-uk wrote:
infact i'd love just to be able to potter around a garage like jimmy's!



Thats you and me both!

_________________
Image
Just an Avus Blue E34 M5 3.8 now 8)


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
New postPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 20:03 
Offline
Member

Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:31
Posts: 121
Location: NEWCASTLE
With regard to the suport of the car during work on the rear end i always place a pair of ramps under the body and the axle stands on the sills.

These were the only pionts available as i removed the diff and axle carrier, a doner axle carrier was was bought prior to removal and just as well as the left hand bush was seized onto the bolt which extends from the body, and i had to cut the axle carrier through with a grinder to get it off. take a look at the state of these 23 year old bushes anyone beat that.
Image
Image
Image
Image


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 20:39 
Offline
Chief Member
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2006 18:19
Posts: 2466
Just to add, if you put the new bushes to be fittted in the freezer for a good 24 hours, they go in SO much easier. :wink:

Did mine recently (on the manual) with the proper tool and it wasnt that bad a job.

_________________
Image
E28 M535i Alpine white, Pacific Mtec cloth, Dinan chip, Fritz exhaust, K&N, 87k miles Full history, full Alpina B9 suspension, Schnitzer wheels....
Best 5 in show NI-BMW 2009 and 2010!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 21:58 
Offline
Member

Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2008 22:45
Posts: 323
Location: Oldham UK
Seen the 'official' procedure posted before. Just undo the nut and hit it with a big hammer. Remove the bolt then cut the bushes out with a jig saw. No, dont cut the subframe. Clean the inside of the bores with a drill and a fan grinder. Put a bit of wood between the subframe and the body (mind the brake pipes!) and use the weight of the car to force the new ones in. Put a bit of fairy liquid on the new bushes before you fit them. Make sure you have the lug lined up! And the most important bit: put the new bushes in the freezer for at least 24 hours before fitting and dont hang about. An hour a side and no special tools.

_________________
Feb 1992 525i. 5HP18. 103k miles


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 18:28 
Offline
Newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 23:52
Posts: 2
Im having trouble getting the bolt out of the chassis. Ive soaked it in wd40 from the inside but no amount of hitting it seems to do anything. Is there a special trick?


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re:
New postPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:08 
Offline
Member

Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 20:53
Posts: 246
duncan-uk wrote:
Quote:
and thanks to Duncan all round legendary mechanic and BMW trained technician


No problem :lol: :lol:

obviously that wasn't me :roll:

nice write up - i have powerflex bushes for my rear beam which i have shied away from fitting - puller looks fairly straight forward though.



Did you get round to fitting the Powerflex bushes? What colour are they & what are your thoughts on the ride or extra noise etc :?:


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:19 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 18:22
Posts: 13887
Location: Herts
I have purple ones but not yet fitted - i had new ones fitted at great expense after i bought the car so its not high on the list really.

_________________
Image

www.duncanjamesdesign.com

Need arch rolling? Click here! Archenemy

andyb wrote:
OK I give in I actually quite like the M535i look, especially in white with black wheels


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:37 
Offline
Member

Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 20:53
Posts: 246
duncan-uk wrote:
I have purple ones but not yet fitted - i had new ones fitted at great expense after i bought the car so its not high on the list really.



Ok. Mine are due to arrive in the next few days. I did read somewhere else that black ones should be fitted......

I will see how I get on with ones I get.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:39 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 18:22
Posts: 13887
Location: Herts
What colour will yours be? be interested to hear how they feel on the road.

_________________
Image

www.duncanjamesdesign.com

Need arch rolling? Click here! Archenemy

andyb wrote:
OK I give in I actually quite like the M535i look, especially in white with black wheels


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 21:47 
Offline
Member

Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 20:53
Posts: 246
duncan-uk wrote:
What colour will yours be? be interested to hear how they feel on the road.


Mine are yellow. I bought all the bushes as a full kit.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: A Guide to beam mount bush fitting
New postPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 17:57 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2005 09:19
Posts: 489
Location: Cheltenham
In all sincerity, thank you so much for this guide: I followed it to the letter, having paid someone else to replace my subframe bushes last year, only to have them fail a few thousand miles later.

Only thing I'd add is that I had to make a couple of cutouts in the top part of the puller to clear the locating "nodules" inside the bush mounting, as per pic.

Total cost of tool: £0.

FItted Powerflex bushes, and so far brilliant. Post below about same and about trackday using new poly bushes, but thought it worthwhile to add to the guide itself.

Thank you again,

Rob

Image
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
The views and comments expressed on this board are the views of individual members not bmw5 as an entity or its staff
 
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group