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#1 BLooD

BLooD
  • LocationEssex UK.
  • Current Car:530d M-sport 2006

Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:08 PM

Ordred main and EGR stats from euro car parts today, £60 including coolant, got 30% off. Any tips for changing the main stat?


2006 BMW 530D M-Sport, Carbon black/Grey Dakota leather
Visibility pack, Media pack, DAB radio, ISO fix front seat, High beam assist, Individual head-liner anthracite, M rear spoiler, M135 18" wheels.
Retrofits:- LCI-CCC, SA430 ext: mirrors dimming/folding, SA616 BMW online, SA563 extended light package, SA534 AC automatic, SA437 poplar wood trim, Poplar wood handbrake handle, Poplar wood gear selector, Remote key fold mirrors, mirror kerb function, Front and rear Hi-FI tweeters.
Mods:- All mods removed.


#2 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

get someone with small hands

no need to remove egr cooler, or air filter cover

if you have a flexible extendable wrench for the main stat screws, that'd be ideal, otherwise use a giant piece of metal to push the plastic piping forward to gain better access to put the main stat back on (look in my guide and the tool I used to do this (signature!))

use deionised water

 

shiiiiiiiiiiit, ECP? Return the main stat, they're defective and are known to fail within 1k miles, ask "chaz". In fact, return egr stat too, GSF do the OEM part for the same price. I don't know who supplies OEM main stat part from stealers themselves.

 

Follow the bleeding procedure from that bmw TIS is it called?


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#3 BLooD

BLooD
  • LocationEssex UK.
  • Current Car:530d M-sport 2006

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

Thanks for the tips.


Edited by BLooD, 30 November 2012 - 08:01 PM.

2006 BMW 530D M-Sport, Carbon black/Grey Dakota leather
Visibility pack, Media pack, DAB radio, ISO fix front seat, High beam assist, Individual head-liner anthracite, M rear spoiler, M135 18" wheels.
Retrofits:- LCI-CCC, SA430 ext: mirrors dimming/folding, SA616 BMW online, SA563 extended light package, SA534 AC automatic, SA437 poplar wood trim, Poplar wood handbrake handle, Poplar wood gear selector, Remote key fold mirrors, mirror kerb function, Front and rear Hi-FI tweeters.
Mods:- All mods removed.


#4 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:17 PM

updated the post in my signature, one of the links had expired...


Edited by Baus, 30 November 2012 - 08:17 PM.

UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#5 Chaz

Chaz
  • LocationIckenham, Middlesex
  • Occupation:Head of IT Operations
  • Current Car:2014 BMW S1000R

Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:30 AM

Ordred main and EGR stats from euro car parts today, £60 including coolant, got 30% off. Any tips for changing the main stat?

 

Blood, DONT!!! use the Eurocarparts main stat. It will fail within 500 miles. Check my others posts on here why. Before you fit it, return it, pay £10 more and get a BMW one.

 

Sorry, had not seen Baus' full comment. The ECP EGR stat I believe is OEM (Behr), but still - dont waste your time and coolant - you will need to replace it soon enough again, they have a known issue where the rubber climbs off the metal bit.

 

Here is the detail:-

 


Edited by Chaz, 01 December 2012 - 09:33 AM.


#6 BLooD

BLooD
  • LocationEssex UK.
  • Current Car:530d M-sport 2006

Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:39 PM

ahh well didnt know, bank account is empty now and dont have the money to return or buy the other ones. thanks anyway.


2006 BMW 530D M-Sport, Carbon black/Grey Dakota leather
Visibility pack, Media pack, DAB radio, ISO fix front seat, High beam assist, Individual head-liner anthracite, M rear spoiler, M135 18" wheels.
Retrofits:- LCI-CCC, SA430 ext: mirrors dimming/folding, SA616 BMW online, SA563 extended light package, SA534 AC automatic, SA437 poplar wood trim, Poplar wood handbrake handle, Poplar wood gear selector, Remote key fold mirrors, mirror kerb function, Front and rear Hi-FI tweeters.
Mods:- All mods removed.


#7 Chaz

Chaz
  • LocationIckenham, Middlesex
  • Occupation:Head of IT Operations
  • Current Car:2014 BMW S1000R

Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:31 AM

ahh well didnt know, bank account is empty now and dont have the money to return or buy the other ones. thanks anyway.

 

Have you fitted them?

 

Watch your temps over the next 1000 miles or so - mine failed before it hit 500ish miles.



#8 shuzzy

shuzzy

Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:20 AM

As said, I made the mistake of fitting ECP main and EGR stats, and the coolant temperature actually got worse! Had to pay all over again and had the job done with dealer stats.



#9 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:25 AM

try returning them to a store so you don't have to pay postage?

 

and if you're short on cash atm, then just fit the main, the egr can be fitted with ease at a later stage, whats more, a few people have found changing the main enough to get up to the full 90C, and not needed to replace the egr stat.


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#10 way520

way520
  • LocationMerseyside
  • Occupation:Engineer
  • Current Car:520d M Sport 2005

Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

Bleeding procedure from that bmw TIS 

 

Has any got a copy of this for a 520D 2005 or know the TIS number?



#11 Chaz

Chaz
  • LocationIckenham, Middlesex
  • Occupation:Head of IT Operations
  • Current Car:2014 BMW S1000R

Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

Blood, ive got an EGR stat here (original BMW) that was used to prove that the ECP one was either faulty or not. I wanted £30 for it but hey, if you need it, take it for whatever you want to pay for it. Return both the ECP ones, get the main from BMW and take this BMW EGR one from me.



#12 530dE60

530dE60
  • LocationNorth London
  • Current Car:E60 530d

Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:48 AM

^^ beautiful...that's why these forums are just so great :).

Edited by 530dE60, 02 December 2012 - 11:48 AM.

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#13 amar123

amar123
  • Current Car:bmw M5

Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

whats the part number for this stat?



#14 Chaz

Chaz
  • LocationIckenham, Middlesex
  • Occupation:Head of IT Operations
  • Current Car:2014 BMW S1000R

Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

whats the part number for this stat?

 

I believe - 11717787870 based on http://realoem.com/b...597&hg=11&fg=50


Edited by Chaz, 02 December 2012 - 02:15 PM.


#15 diesel_donkey

diesel_donkey
  • LocationWest Molesey
  • Current Car:BMW 530D E61 2007(July) FaceLift

Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:36 AM

I’ve got question: after what kind of distance coolant should reach 90deg+ ? I just discovered hidden menu and monitor coolant temperature, but have not done any long runs, only to work which is 6.5miles and after that it gets 60-68deg It’s that normal? I have change EGR recently so does it mean that main thermostat need to be changed?



#16 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:54 AM

40C after 2 miles, 60C after 4 miles for me, with new stats.

 

90C in 8-10miles (12 in winter).

 

check temp on motorway in 6th gear


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#17 diesel_donkey

diesel_donkey
  • LocationWest Molesey
  • Current Car:BMW 530D E61 2007(July) FaceLift

Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:19 AM

monitored my coolant temp. last two days and while drive does not exceed 77-78deg, sometimes when stack in the traffic temp. went up to 85deg.

sound like need to replace main thermostat....From the forum search most of you recommend only genuine one, am I correct?



#18 530dE60

530dE60
  • LocationNorth London
  • Current Car:E60 530d

Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

Don't bother with non genuine stats. Not worth the hassle. High chance the whole job will need doing again if non genuine stats are used.
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#19 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

monitored my coolant temp. last two days and while drive does not exceed 77-78deg, sometimes when stack in the traffic temp. went up to 85deg.

sound like need to replace main thermostat....From the forum search most of you recommend only genuine one, am I correct?

I've only seen gsf do an oem egr stat which is a tenner cheaper from them.


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#20 Stewart

Stewart
  • LocationSurrey
  • Occupation:IT Consultant
  • Current Car:E60 530D M Sport (2009/58-plate)

Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:02 PM

Don't bother with non genuine stats. Not worth the hassle. High chance the whole job will need doing again if non genuine stats are used.

 

I had geniune stats fitted six months ago.  Both were replaced yesterday as one or other of them had failed again.  As I was informed yesterday, genuine BMW stats have a two year warranty :-)



#21 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:31 PM

I had geniune stats fitted six months ago.  Both were replaced yesterday as one or other of them had failed again.  As I was informed yesterday, genuine BMW stats have a two year warranty :-)

But if you fitted yourself, do they replace it themselves and give you coolant ?


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#22 Stewart

Stewart
  • LocationSurrey
  • Occupation:IT Consultant
  • Current Car:E60 530D M Sport (2009/58-plate)

Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:47 PM

My Indy said that as they were BMW parts, the correct procedure under a warranty claim with them would be for him to take the car to BMW and stand and watch while THEY fitted the replacements.  I'm not sure whether the "stand and watch" part was just him making sure they don't pull a fast one or not.

 

In the end, he managed to swing it for someone from the dealer to drive over the replacement stats and he fitted them himself so he could get the job done same day rather than me having to bring it back another day.

 

What that means if you bought the parts and fitted yourself is anyone's guess.  I would imagine it would cover just the replacement parts themselves.



#23 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:24 PM

You gotta pay for labour, coolant yourself? Hmmm, that sounds a bit unfair.

 

Exactly 1 year on, I've noticed my stats are about 3-4 degrees weak. Need to check properly though.


Edited by Baus, 19 December 2012 - 04:25 PM.

UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#24 Stewart

Stewart
  • LocationSurrey
  • Occupation:IT Consultant
  • Current Car:E60 530D M Sport (2009/58-plate)

Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

I'm taking a guess.  They could argue that you must have damaged them somehow during fitting.



#25 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:05 PM

jeez, these are pretty basic devices, it warms up, some wax melts and it pushes the valve out. Can't see any way to damage it. Luckily I have a video of when it ran at 90C in -5C weather, clearly demonstrating that it was installed properly... gotta decide if I kick up a fuss now


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#26 Stewart

Stewart
  • LocationSurrey
  • Occupation:IT Consultant
  • Current Car:E60 530D M Sport (2009/58-plate)

Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:10 PM

I know that, you know that, but any excuse to wiggle out of replacements ;-)

#27 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

gotta love the stealers! They're trying to get me into a newer e60 atm, I wonder if that'll change their attitude towards my current e60!

 

How many miles did you change them at first, and how many miles are you at now? What were the temps like before you changed them for a second time?(trying to establish how badly they failed...)


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com


#28 Stewart

Stewart
  • LocationSurrey
  • Occupation:IT Consultant
  • Current Car:E60 530D M Sport (2009/58-plate)

Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:47 PM

Taking a stab in the dark at the mileage in May, I reckon it was around 66K. It's now on 71K.

The temps I reported on last month when I realised the heating was pretty crappy. It was running at 67-71C with -1C outside on a gentle run down A-roads. Motorway's weren't much better. Even repeated caning it to speed and back between roundabouts didn't see it go much above 78-80C. It was a little higher in the recent warmer weather.

It has done a couple of DPF regens though, reaching the required 92/93C while doing so, before dropping back to high-70s.

My Indy was very surprised to see them go again so early, especially with genuine parts. He wouldn't touch ECP for stats.

#29 Rizzo

Rizzo
  • Current Car:2005 530d Manual

Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

my stats are getting replaced on Saturday from my local Indy... I think under new ownership it's up there on the to-do list along with swirl flaps etc

this way you have peace of mind, and as above warranty

#30 baus

baus
  • Current Car:04 E60 525d Auto

Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

thermostat thread needs to be made a sticky!

 

Stewart, I'm surprised they failed that badly, sounds like they'd run 100k miles already!


UNLOCK SECRET OBC & check engine operating temperature.      

How to change the: main thermostat. EGR stat
 

E60 525d Auto. SA255 Sports steering wheel, SA438 Fine wood trim, SA459 Memory: seat, mirror & steering wheel , SA522 Xenon lights, SA524 Directional headlights, SA534 Climate control advanced, SA609 Navigation system professional, SA644 Bluetooth handsfree, SA672 CD multi-changer.
Retrofits: SA430 folding mirrors + SA563 puddle lights, Driver's folding mirror button, 3.5mm jack aux cable.
Coded: Bi-Xenon full beams, MP3 playback, AUX in, digital speedo display, comfort folding mirrors, chirp on lock/unlock, permanent speedo illumination.

Remap: EGR delete by TheEnd @ endtuning.com





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