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F10\F11 Standard Stereo

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I've found the perfect spec'd Nov 2011 525d, except for one thing, it's only got the standard sound system. I usually look for Logic 7, but I can't find one, seems to be very rare. How does the standard one fair compared to say the standard E60 sound system?

Any upgrades available, like the Alpine kit in the E90/92.

Thanks in advance.

Graeme

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I think the standard sound is really quite good in the F10. I would certainly put it above the E60 standard and every previous BMW I have had. It suits some (classical) music particularly well, but and the occasional singer such as Amy Winehouse can sound lacking in bass to me, but on the whole I am impressed with it. Not many used ones seem to have upgraded sound which is probably because the standard kit works well.

Is this the new 2 litre 525d?

HV4

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That's good to hear, finding one with the uprated stereo is near impossible and the chance are it won't have the other options.

Yeah the new twin turbo 2.0 engine. Not seen many reviews on the engine, but it's the same one I had in my 123d and it was fairly impressive, combined with an 8 speed auto and I'm sure performance will be adequate.

Spec'd the car as it would be new with all the options and it's now being offered with £17k off list price and only done 6500 miles, ridiculous, that's before any negotiation. BMW must have released a batch of them.

I wonder if I can add the Logic7 (Hi-Fi) tweeters, that always helped with the E60. I read the standard F10\11 at least has an amp.

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I'll be interested to hear how you find the new engine. The combined performance and economy figures look remarkable.

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It certainly does... assuming the figures are obtainable of course. Trying to work out a deal this morning.

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You can never actually reach the claimed figures on cars these days, but they are still a useful relative measure. I imagine you'll average low to mid 40s mpg, but even that would be impressive given the performance. A similar performance XF or A6 would probably give 10mpg less.

HV4

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Test drove a new 320d at the weekend, book figure is 58mpg, it returned 52mpg over 40 miles, combination of country roads and motorway, but with plenty of quick overtakes on the country road and not hanging about. Can't argue with that. I've just sold my BMW E61 550i 4.8 V8 so I'm sure it will be an imrpovement. That said, I could beat the combined figure on that when on a long run.

Was looking at a new A4, nice size of car, between the 3 and 5 series, but after reading up on them and making a few postings it would seem a lot of people are complaining about the fuel consumption, some struggling to see 35mpg on the motorway, all from the 2.0 177ps.

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I got 54 on a brisk dual carriageway run this weekend, 520d manual. get 40mpg most of the time round town and with lots of stop/starting and ungentle driving!

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Must add my two pennethworth. Test drove a 530D with the standard stereo, absolute crap. No bass weight, muddy midrange. Fine for FM radio but nowt else. Pride myself on being a tight fisted Yorkshireman but coughed up the dough for the Pro Hi-fi. Absolutely stonking and leagues better than the standard hi-fi in the 5 and the business speakers in my old 320D. A little better than the Pro Hi-fi in my wife's 320i touring too. If you're an audiophile at home ,then you have to go for the Pro Hi-fi. Would be very interested to hear about the new twin turbo 525. Thought about it when I was test driving the 520D and 530D but was seduced by that silky smooth straight 6! Getting about 36-39 mpg on the daily commute in moderate town traffic and 40+ on the motorway. The sensible buy would be the 520D but the 525 ticks a few more performance boxes on paper with very impressive economy and emissions.

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Thanks for the feedback. Done the deal and picking up the 525d on Saturday hopefully. Since I'm buying used I think the chances of having all the options, with the right colour and most importantly at the right price, plus the up-rated stereo is slim, so standard stereo it is.

I'm going to price up the tweeters and the top of the range speakers which are a direct replacement. Lets see how bad it is, other than that, the car is perfect.

I'll do a mini review over the weekend on the car. Will be a 350 mile drive home, so should get a good idea of how the car is by then. Will be refreshing to do these distanced without need to stop for fuel :)

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Done the deal and picking up the 525d on Saturday hopefully.

Congrats and hope Saturday goes well for you.

Pride myself on being a tight fisted Yorkshireman but coughed up the dough for the Pro Hi-fi. Absolutely stonking and leagues better than the standard hi-fi in the 5 and the business speakers in my old 320D. A little better than the Pro Hi-fi in my wife's 320i touring too. If you're an audiophile at home ,then you have to go for the Pro Hi-fi.

Hi Sandip69. I've got the prof loudpeaker system in my F11 and am having troubles with it distorting when playing frequencies around the 200-500 Hz area, even at fairly modest volumes. I've got the lower frequencies turned a couple of notches below flat within the equaliser settings but still does not iron out the troubles. I'm not talking super-loud volumes, just the kind of volumes that would require a slightly raised voice if trying to talk to passengers above the stereo. Have you ever experienced any such troubles with your system? Happens whether I'm playing CD's or ipod.

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Guys, question for Saturday. Do I need a special BMW cable for my ipod, or can I just take the normal USB Ipod cable normally used for the PC?

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For a recent car such as yours, the standard Apple cabe should work. My late 2010 car requires the special BMW cable (cost price 50p)for which they charge around £42!

HV4

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Fat Dog, read your post, got in my car, cranked up some Queen to 11 and got not one hint of distortion. I have not touched the default sound settings other than turning off the surround sound so i suspect you might have a problem. Scz4, on no account allow BMW to rip you off for an Ipod cable. Amazon do the same cable for less than half the price and it worked fine in my wife's 61 plate 320i.

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Thanks for the tips, do you have a link just to make sure I get the right think. I'll take my Aux cable with me just incase.

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Thanks for the feedback. Done the deal and picking up the 525d on Saturday hopefully. Since I'm buying used I think the chances of having all the options, with the right colour and most importantly at the right price, plus the up-rated stereo is slim, so standard stereo it is.

I'm going to price up the tweeters and the top of the range speakers which are a direct replacement. Lets see how bad it is, other than that, the car is perfect.

I'll do a mini review over the weekend on the car. Will be a 350 mile drive home, so should get a good idea of how the car is by then. Will be refreshing to do these distanced without need to stop for fuel smile.png

Live with the standard stereo for a while, I find it pretty good after the standard offerings on a 1 series (E87) and a 3 series (E90 & E91). In my old 1 series I had the tweeters added but that system was incredibly poor, in my E91 I had the Alpine stereo upgrade (uprated front mids, tweeters and D-Class amplifier added) after reading reviews about how amazing it was meant to be. If I had to be honest, the biggest improvement came from the tweeters, sure the bass went lower and was more controlled but it was the tweeters that were the best bit.

Moving to my F11 I was expecting it to sound pretty crap after the previous bog-standard BMW offerings; it definitely didn't sound as good as my E91/Alpine (or more to the point, it sounded 'different') but I decided to live with it for a while before shelling out more money. I now find, given the far from ideal listening conditions even a car as good as the F11 can offer, it is actually pretty damn good.

Details such as Fleetwood Mac's The Chain, in between the verses where you can hear someone quietly whispering something, or the vibration of the guitar stings, all easily audible.

My home system cost several thousand so I have a pretty good system to compare to (PMC speakers, Simaudio amp, Benchmark DAC - for those that might be interested), but at home I can sit quietly without concentrating on traffic, in a car you can't do critical listening so don't rush into a change. After 3 months I now don't feel the urge to change at all, I enjoy my music (which ranges from bits of classical and AOR through to heavy metal) and really that's all it's about. It's too easy to get caught up in the rush to upgrade wink.png

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takes 20-30 hours minimum to run in speakers so can be easy to poo poo a stereo without waiting. My old 320D (57) had the business speakers which were truly a total waste of £350! My wife's old Golf with the DSP soundpack was vastly superior. Heard the standard stereo in the dealers demonstrator which had 3000 on the clock and it (to me) was awful. Granted,cars are not good places to listen to music but decent sound engineers can tune systems to partially compensate for this. I suppose some folks are less bothered than others but every time i played a CD in my old 3 series, it made me grind my teeth! The Pro Hi-fi is keeping me very happy indeed especially with the hushed interior of a 530D

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I suppose some folks are less bothered than others but every time i played a CD in my old 3 series, it made me grind my teeth! The Pro Hi-fi is keeping me very happy indeed especially with the hushed interior of a 530D

I appreciate good sound, although I wouldn't call myself an audiophile. My home system is built from Naim components (lower end - costing a few thousand rather than tens of thousands) and I don't find the standard sound in the F10/11 at all bad. Certainly the best standard BMW kit I have heard. I do think that there is very little point in the highest quality sound inside a moving metal box, even a nice one, with all the background noise that creates.

HV4

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The Pro Hi-fi is keeping me very happy indeed

Sandip69 - great to hear you're revelling in the sound quality of the Prof System. On the front doors, the mid-range speaker is in the main body of the door and the tweeter is up at the base of the A-pillar. There's also supposed to be a separate tweeter and mid-range speaker in each of the rear doors. Just wondering, do you have two separate grills/housings in each of your rear doors or just a single grill? Basically, I'm struggling to pin-point the locations of the 16 speakers my car is supposed to have.

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just had a look, one speaker in the middle of the dashboard, 2 in each front door, 1 speaker housing in each rear door and one behind each rear passenger. That makes 9, where the frick are the other 7? I'm guessing something is under each front seat (maybe).

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My home hi-fi stuff is Arcam/NAD/B&W so low end stuff but not bad. I'm probably tone deaf but standard speakers in every Beamer i've ever had have left me cold

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Just burning in my new Roksan K2 and loving a much better sound than the 10-year old Richer-special Marantz gave. The pro hi-fi is great in the F10, worth it for me as its a company car and i don't end up paying much for the benefit - but cars aren't the ideal place for listening full stop, but it helps.

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quality kit indeed. I started hi-fi life with a Marantz amp, Tannoy speakers and a Phillips CD player way,way back. Graduated up a little bit, the kids came along and now it's all in the garage! That lovely quiet interior in the 5 sure makes it a slightly less awful place to listen to music though, esp when you're parked up

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