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Warning signs of an autobox on the way out - what are they?


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#1 bramley007

bramley007

Posted 20 September 2010 - 06:35 PM

As above, how does one tell that doom is just round the corner?

Thanks

#2 rob-the-viking

rob-the-viking
  • LocationCambs

Posted 20 September 2010 - 06:40 PM

In steps michael.d.s.
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#3 michael.d.s.

michael.d.s.
  • LocationQuarter, Hamilton, South Lanarkshire.

Posted 20 September 2010 - 06:53 PM

what symptoms are you experiencing mate ?, usually loss of reverse is a dead giveaway, don't be too worried it can be 1000 cheaper things.

hopefully wont be this !

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thanks to rob for the thumbs up any advice gladly given,

cheers
Michael
96 523i se auto silver, ZF and GM transmissions repaired or rebuilt.(Manual gearboxes also repaired and rebuilt)
http://t3.gstatic.co...31xhNGP612Q&t=1

#4 bramley007

bramley007

Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:28 AM

Recently I’ve noticed that changes from (I think) 2nd to 3rd sometimes aren’t very smooth and it feels like the car is slowing just before it changes gear, rather than the smooth and seamless shift it should be. Reverse is fine.

Oddly it was 100% fine this morning. In the last 7 days I’ve used D, S and M and there’s not really a consistent problem. It seems to be worse when cold, then goes away. It also seems to be worse when accelerating very slowly. I realise this is about as vague as it could be, sorry! Weird that one days it’s fine, then the next day it’s a bit jerky.

Any thoughts?

#5 michael.d.s.

michael.d.s.
  • LocationQuarter, Hamilton, South Lanarkshire.

Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:42 AM

Hi, the zf auto trans will always use the winter or "s" shift programme during the warm up cycle which means it will hold gears for a longer period before changing up, also uses the throttle actuator to back off the engine revs between gear changes, you may have a transmission mount issue or a propshaft guibo (rubber coupling) that is on its way out or even a dodgy abs sensor, may be worth having the autobox fluid level checked which must be done with the engine running and at running temperature, do you have access to a fault code reader may be worth having engine, transmission, and abs codes read. Where abouts do you live mate.

Cheers

Michael
96 523i se auto silver, ZF and GM transmissions repaired or rebuilt.(Manual gearboxes also repaired and rebuilt)
http://t3.gstatic.co...31xhNGP612Q&t=1

#6 Peejaybmr

Peejaybmr
  • LocationMostly in Nott's

Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:57 PM

Have a diagnostic done if its on its way out then 'transmission slip' will be registered.

PJ
Life begins at 40..........(To matter!)

#7 bramley007

bramley007

Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:33 AM

I have INPA on my laptop, will that show anything? I'm not a very confident/competent INPA user!

Thanks for the help guys :)

#8 michael.d.s.

michael.d.s.
  • LocationQuarter, Hamilton, South Lanarkshire.

Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:59 PM

I have never used inpa before I only have the launch x-431, someone will know though, has the light that looks like a yellow cog ever came on the dash ?
96 523i se auto silver, ZF and GM transmissions repaired or rebuilt.(Manual gearboxes also repaired and rebuilt)
http://t3.gstatic.co...31xhNGP612Q&t=1

#9 E39 V8

E39 V8
  • LocationScotland
  • Current Car:C32 AMG

Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:05 PM

Inpa will read the gearbox codes

but you will need to know what the codes mean.

bentley manual or maybe michael.d.s. ^^^^ has them
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#10 michael.d.s.

michael.d.s.
  • LocationQuarter, Hamilton, South Lanarkshire.

Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:27 PM

Its pretty extensive please contact me if you retrieve any codes.



A5S 310Z (5HP-18) - EGS 7.XX
CODE DEFINITION OF FAULT EGS
PIN OUT
POSSIBLE CAUSES

02 Solenoid Parking/Neutral lock 2 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding
03 Solenoid valve 5 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding

04 Solenoid valve 6 - Convertor lockup clutch Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding
05 Pressure regulator Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding
08 Shift Lever Position L2 8 Vehicle accelerated while shift lever in park or
neutral position
Engine was started and the EGS control has not
detected park or neutral position signal
09 Shift lever position L3/L4 37, 9 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Short in sensor
12 Program selector switch 12, 13,
45
Short to ground
16 Turbocharger speed sensor 16, 44 No signal
Anomalous engine speed signal
18 Kickdown switch 18 Short to ground
Anomalous signal
19 ASC monitoring 19 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
EGS detected anomalous ASC signal
ASC operation detected while shift lever in park or
neutral
22 ATF sump temperature sensor 21, 22 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
26 Battery voltage + 26 Break in wiring
Check battery
Check charging system
30 Solenoid valve 1 30 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding
31 Solenoid valve 4 31 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding
32 Solenoid valve 3 32 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding
33 Solenoid valve 2 33 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Defective valve winding
35 Throttle valve signal (dtk) 35 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Anamolous throttle valve signal
36 Shift lever position l1 36 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
Short in sensor
40 Engine intervention 40 Break in wiring
Short in wiring
41 Kva signal 41 Break in wiring

42 Transmission output rotation speed signal
(n-ab) - Stall speed signal
14, 42 No signal
Anomalous engine speed signal
43 Engine speed signal (n-mot) 43 No signal
Anomalous engine speed signal
53 Power supply - Solenoid valves 53 Relay in egs not switching
54 Batter voltage + 54 Battery voltage too low (>9 volts)
Check battery
Check charging system
100 Speed monitoring Trans/engine speed ratio not correct for gear
selected
Speed sensor signal faulty
Slip in transmission too high
101 EPROM checksum error Damaged EPROM
Program in memory faulty
Reinitialize power to EGS control unit
Replace control unit
102 Program checksum error Damaged EPROM
Program in memory faulty
Reinitialize power to EGS control unit
Replace control unit
103 Relay - EGS control unit Relay in EGS not switching in time
104 DKT- Temperature signal 35 Break in wiring short in wiring
Anomalous engine temperature signal
105 DKT - Throttle valve signal 35 Break in wiring short in wiring
Anomalous throttle valve signal
106 MUX injection rate DDE sending faulty injection rate signal
110 EGS control unit not programmed Have EGS control unit programmed
(150) CAN timeout 1 CAN signal not sent during engine start (ignition
on)
(151) CAN timeout 2 CAN signal not detected (engine running)
(152) CAN bus monitor Values in CAN ram storage not updated
(153) CAN status fault Control units with different CAN status' are
installed on the same bus
Replace with correct units
(154) CAN throttle valve signal Anomalous throttle valve signal detected by DME
(155) CAN load signal Anomalous load signal detected by DME
(156) CAN engine intervention DME cannot alter engine torque to match EGS
signal
DME does not match other CAN control units
(157) CAN engine temperature Anomalous engine temperature signal detected by
DME
(158) CAN engine speed signal Anomalous engine speed signal detected by DME
200 Kickdown not working
201 Sport car transmission feature not
selectable
202 Manual shift program feature not selectable
203 Program cannot be converted 6


204 No engine deceleration detected 24
205 Brake light
Brake light test switch
206 False code set
300 Diagnostic circuit fault
301 EGS voltage supply No voltage to EGS control unit
Check wiring harness
96 523i se auto silver, ZF and GM transmissions repaired or rebuilt.(Manual gearboxes also repaired and rebuilt)
http://t3.gstatic.co...31xhNGP612Q&t=1

#11 E39 V8

E39 V8
  • LocationScotland
  • Current Car:C32 AMG

Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:40 PM

he does not mention what car its for so maybe diff box as the one you describe ^^

mines a A5S440Z unless the fault codes are all pretty much the same on most ZF boxes ??

Edit :
on another note the A5S 310Z (5HP-18)was fitted to E34 M60 V8's

and the A5S560Z fitted to the E34 540 V8's.

These boxes were prone to failure and were a known weak point
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#12 michael.d.s.

michael.d.s.
  • LocationQuarter, Hamilton, South Lanarkshire.

Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:46 PM

Ha ha fair point, 5hp18 and 5hp19 codes are very similar there is a few valve body codes that are different however the code description will cross match.

Assumption is the mother of all f&&k ups :)
96 523i se auto silver, ZF and GM transmissions repaired or rebuilt.(Manual gearboxes also repaired and rebuilt)
http://t3.gstatic.co...31xhNGP612Q&t=1

#13 bramley007

bramley007

Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:07 AM

Cheers guys.

It's a 2003 530i Sport Touring, low OBC.

Michael, the Trans Safe warning came on once, about a year ago for about 3 minutes. The car had only just been started and I was in a hurry so put it in Sport then the light came on. It's not been on since then, and that's about 10k miles ago at a guess.

Car was fine yesterday and again today :? :)

Will plug INPA in over the weekend.

#14 bongosworld

bongosworld
  • Current Car:530d

Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:27 PM

dont suppose you have any for the GM boxs?



#15 pt530i

pt530i
  • LocationHerts
  • Current Car:530iA Saloon Titanium Silver Style 82s

Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:06 PM

I'd suggest resetting the adaptations and see if that helps.

 

My 530i didn't change very smoothly when I got it and resetting the adaptations made a real difference, (for the best :-)  )


Current :
2002 BMW 530iA
2005 Ford Galaxy 1.9TDI (bought new)

Previous :
1999 Honda Accord Executive 1.8
Various company cars (Citroen Xantia SX, Renault Laguna [various], Volvo S40 2.0T, Nissan Primera, Ford Mondeo 1.8 Verona, Volkswagen Passat Estate 1.8S)
1988 Toyota Corolla 1.3GL
1988 Ford Sierra 2.0GL
1984 Vauxhall Carlton 1.8GL

1975 Cortina 2.0XL

1984 Cavalier 1.6GL

1984 Cavalier 1.6GL
1982 Cortina 2.0GL auto
1984 Opel Manta Berlinetta 1.8
1982 Opel Manta Berlinetta 1.8
1978 Ford Cortina 2.3GL

1983 Truimph Acclaim
1978 Datsun Bluebird SSS

1977 Ford Cortina 2.0S
1972 Ford Cortina 2.0GXL
1974 Ford Cortina 2.0XL auto

1972 Opel Manta A 1.9
1971 Mini Clubman (with a 1300 engine

1971 Mini van
1967 Vauxhall Viva HB 1159
1975 Ford Cortina 1.6L


and probably a few others I've forgotten about....


#16 Sasho

Sasho
  • Current Car:BMW 530d Touring

Posted 05 June 2013 - 10:18 PM

In my case with 523iA was rapidly slowing down and adding gas immediatly i could feel a bump in the gearbox as it shifted.. On my ex 530d it put safe mode twice and then voila it was over :)



#17 YNP

YNP
  • LocationDartford, UK
  • Current Car:2003 530d e39 sport, EGR delete, Mapped@256bhp

Posted 06 June 2013 - 05:43 AM

I'm experiencing a slight shunt between 1st and 2nd also, gonna plug her in and do the gearbox update :)

Don't rule out a MAF sensor fault either....

#18 Digidick

Digidick
  • LocationDuffield, Derby
  • Occupation:Digitial Print/Design
  • Current Car:2001 530d Sport Auto

Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:03 AM

I'm experiencing a slight shunt between 1st and 2nd also, gonna plug her in and do the gearbox update :)


Don't rule out a MAF sensor fault either....


What's the gearbox update and how?

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2001 530d Sport Auto
 


#19 YNP

YNP
  • LocationDartford, UK
  • Current Car:2003 530d e39 sport, EGR delete, Mapped@256bhp

Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:48 AM

Well I use Autologic at work and I know that there is a gearbox update for it, where are you from?

#20 Digidick

Digidick
  • LocationDuffield, Derby
  • Occupation:Digitial Print/Design
  • Current Car:2001 530d Sport Auto

Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:19 AM

Well I use Autologic at work and I know that there is a gearbox update for it, where are you from?

 

Sunny Derby, miles away from you.


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2001 530d Sport Auto
 


#21 IRFANRAJA09

IRFANRAJA09
  • LocationDerby
  • Occupation:technican advisor
  • Current Car:2002 BMW 530d sport

Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:45 AM

I need a gearbox updates too as when I'm slowing down it feels like I've got warped disks but they are New so hopefully someone can help me thankyou I'm from Derby too

#22 YNP

YNP
  • LocationDartford, UK
  • Current Car:2003 530d e39 sport, EGR delete, Mapped@256bhp

Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:04 AM

That's a shame

#23 YNP

YNP
  • LocationDartford, UK
  • Current Car:2003 530d e39 sport, EGR delete, Mapped@256bhp

Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:05 AM

I've been putting off the updates looking for the remap receipt code, but found it last week

#24 Digidick

Digidick
  • LocationDuffield, Derby
  • Occupation:Digitial Print/Design
  • Current Car:2001 530d Sport Auto

Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:18 AM

Will an update wipe the remap?

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2001 530d Sport Auto
 


#25 YNP

YNP
  • LocationDartford, UK
  • Current Car:2003 530d e39 sport, EGR delete, Mapped@256bhp

Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:16 PM

If you update the DDE aswell which ill be doing aswell as a MAF change, as far as I can see in the quite detailed history on this car... In 118k it's not seen a new one so I'm hoping after all of the above to see a massive improvement, Especially after I sort out the calliper sliders on the NSF which are getting 20degrees C hotter than the OSF

#26 Digidick

Digidick
  • LocationDuffield, Derby
  • Occupation:Digitial Print/Design
  • Current Car:2001 530d Sport Auto

Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:14 PM

If you update the DDE aswell which ill be doing aswell as a MAF change, as far as I can see in the quite detailed history on this car... In 118k it's not seen a new one so I'm hoping after all of the above to see a massive improvement, Especially after I sort out the calliper sliders on the NSF which are getting 20degrees C hotter than the OSF

 

Is it not running well for it to need a new MAF?.

 

Mines on 142k but not sure if its had one but at the same time seems to run great although would a MAF change things for the better??.


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2001 530d Sport Auto
 


#27 YNP

YNP
  • LocationDartford, UK
  • Current Car:2003 530d e39 sport, EGR delete, Mapped@256bhp

Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:17 PM

I look at things from an electronic engineering point of view, they degrade over time and your dde compensates as best as possible, give it a nice new one and reset the adaptive values and hey presto... The average life for a MAF is about 100k before it has to overcompensate tbh

#28 Digidick

Digidick
  • LocationDuffield, Derby
  • Occupation:Digitial Print/Design
  • Current Car:2001 530d Sport Auto

Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:20 PM

sorry whats a dde?

 

you've got me thinking now, very interested to know your findings.

 

and how much you paying for a MAF?


Edited by Digidick, 06 June 2013 - 09:30 PM.

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2001 530d Sport Auto
 


#29 YNP

YNP
  • LocationDartford, UK
  • Current Car:2003 530d e39 sport, EGR delete, Mapped@256bhp

Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:33 AM

DDE is an engine Ecu for the DIESELS as DME is to petrol

#30 Digidick

Digidick
  • LocationDuffield, Derby
  • Occupation:Digitial Print/Design
  • Current Car:2001 530d Sport Auto

Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:38 AM

Oh cheers.

Looking at £150 for a MAF so not cheap just to see if mines under performing.


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2001 530d Sport Auto
 





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