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I can hear the death rattle of it to this day and sorry to be crude, but the best description of that 3.0lt engine at high revs I have ever heard was suggested in the following terms by an old pal as,

 

"Like a skeleton having a  w***  in a biscuit tin"  :o

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a mate had a rs1600i with the cvh lump. Chassis was good but cvh horrid in fine fettle. This had a worn cam it was appalling 

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I noticed "The Sweeney Car" (NHK 295M, the Consul GT) has had all the crappy bits removed from its engine.

 

I remember Dad's Zodiac really sounded abysmal above 2,500 rpm; likewise, anyone else here remember the asthmatic thrash of V4 Transits of old?!

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10 hours ago, Blobby said:

The best upgrade at the time was to fit a Rover V8 to it.. A much lighter engine being all aluminium with more power and doesn't sound like a bag a nuts in a blender at higher RPM thanks to the hydraulic tappets.

 

Round my part of the world the most common 'upgrade' was a Perkins diesel.

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The reference  to the old V4 Transits brought back happy memories of the 'races' that used to take place on most Friday afternoons on our brand new M1 motorway.  All of 40 miles long then, the Transit participants managed magically to gather at the 'country' end  at about 3.00pm and race their way home to Belfast.  Slipstreaming was the order of the day as we stood upright on the fast pedal trying to extract the last couple of mph.  It has just occured to me that nobody was ever pulled over by the 'Q cars' which the police operated in those days.  Most likely reason being that although it seemed extremely fast with breakneck overtaking we probably were just about on the 70 mph limit at best!

 

 

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1 hour ago, TerryTibbs said:

Got to be Derbyshire?

 

Nope  - the Fens.

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The standard Essex V6 only made a very asthmatic 138bhp and never liked revving anywhere near 5000. But they could be made to work very well, 3.0 Capri's cleaned up in Production Saloon Racing and Group 1 Touring Cars through most of the 70's and into the 80's.

I used them for 11 years in the race car and served me very well winning 4 championships. Started out in 1987 with 185bhp and later on had 300bhp revving to 8200rpm, with the close ratio gearbox it never came much below 6000, so a slightly different animal to standard !

 

Was behind this tidy looking Sierra Estate on Monday, still not seen another E34 Touring this year...

 

sierra.jpg

 

 

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I will dig out some pics of my xr4i and xr4x4.... my old xr4x4 is still going.....

Sadly I don't have any pics of my mk1 3.0 escort......that was  a job and a half, whole new gearbox tunnel and the professionally cut down prop lasted 2 days so we made one ourselves. I think my mate has some pics …...

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1 hour ago, Sarnie said:

The standard Essex V6 only made a very asthmatic 138bhp and never liked revving anywhere near 5000.....

 

 

  Apparently, the Essex V6 was originally designed to be a Diesel and fitted to the mk1 Transit but they scrapped the idea and made it a petrol engine, however, a hangover from the diesel design was that it had flat heads with the combustion chamber in the piston rather than the other way round on most petrol engines. My mate used to do trials in a Land Rover fitted with a 3.1 Essex as he reckoned it was stronger than than the all alloy rover V8 and being a shorter engine than the V8 it could be mounted further back in the chassis keeping it out of harms way should the front of the Land Rover smash into anything, which it quite often did by all accounts.....

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Another hangover from the diesel design was the larger crank journals which meant high surface speeds if using a lot of revs. Used to change my bearing shells every 6 races.

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 I wonder if Ford had made a diesel Essex V6 would it have been the first diesel engine with a V6 configuration?

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I'm not sure - but I could be wrong - about this "It was meant to be a diesel" thing for the Essex engines. Consider the cars they first went into were on the drawing board in 1962 (the Mk. IV Zephyr/Zodiac), diesel saloon cars were virtually unheard of back then, and would certainly not have been the right 'fit' for an executive car. You couldn't fit a straight six in a Mk. IV. Mind you, I seem to recall the Transit is contemporary - 1966.

 

Sadly, my copy of Allen* is inaccessible now for me to look it up.

 

*Consul, Zephyr, Zodiac, Executive  by Michael Allen, pub. Motor Racing Publications Ltd.

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20 hours ago, Essex boy said:

I will dig out some pics of my xr4i and xr4x4.... my old xr4x4 is still going.....

Sadly I don't have any pics of my mk1 3.0 escort......that was  a job and a half, whole new gearbox tunnel and the professionally cut down prop lasted 2 days so we made one ourselves. I think my mate has some pics …...

 

Many years ago (I'm talking nearly 30 now) a mate of mine used to like modding cars and he had a book from which he told me that Ford had actually considered a factory 3-litre Escort, but deemed it "irresponsible". How the world has changed.

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3 hours ago, e60neindanke said:

 

Many years ago (I'm talking nearly 30 now) a mate of mine used to like modding cars and he had a book from which he told me that Ford had actually considered a factory 3-litre Escort, but deemed it "irresponsible". How the world has changed.

Ha it makes you laugh...irresponsible and to think now a 1.9 tdi would leave it for dust. It is great to look back and realise how people thought back then

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 I would have thought though, the torque of an Essex 3.0 being transferred through a leaf sprung live rear axle into a pair of skinny tyres with nothing but the light weight of an Escort pushing them into the tarmac with no power steering and no traction control or abs to get you out the shit could be quite interesting to say the least......:grin:

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Hi,

 

Some of you will need to get bidding !

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Fiesta-Mk1-1978-957cc-Only-140-Miles-on-clock-and-Unregistered/153063334555?clk_rvr_id=1568204078951&rmvSB=true&clk_rvr_id=1570085234120&rmvSB=true

 

I'd only buy a big American Ford again, had a little tip of where there's another nice F150 Harley Davidson! if it comes about, it'd be the 3rd one! Wouldn't mind a nice big F350 Harley Davidson either!  

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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An opportunity has opened up to own a rare Sierra RS500.

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-5857073/This-1987-Ford-Sierra-RS500-Cosworth-pitched-sell-105-000.html

 

Although the fact that it has a Halfrauds battery in it isn't a nice thing to see under the bonnet.  Atleast put a Ford one in there FFS!

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19 minutes ago, 535i Andrew said:

An opportunity has opened up to own a rare Sierra RS500.

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-5857073/This-1987-Ford-Sierra-RS500-Cosworth-pitched-sell-105-000.html

 

Although the fact that it has a Halfrauds battery in it isn't a nice thing to see under the bonnet.  Atleast put a Ford one in there FFS!

 

Do you know...

 

I've been thinking a lot about the way prices have gone mad for many cars recently, fast Fords (and even more run of the mill Fords) being one of the more noticeable.  There are other cars out there too which have started to rise as they thin out in numbers.  I'm asking myself - what is driving all of this?  My theory is that it's people my age or a little bit older, who couldn't afford some of these cars when they were new, or in the case of the more run of the mill cars, chasing down a bit of nostalgia.  Other people who are buying them are investors, hoping to sell on to these groups.

 

I just wonder if the next generation will value these cars quite so highly.  I like 70s / 80s / 90s cars - mostly of German origin, but if I had a massive win my collection would be truly international, but my kids and their boyfriends?  What will they see as worth having?  Will they get nostalgic in their 40s for cars I had when they were small?  Cars from the 90s / 2000s?  Will the best of these cars rise in value as availability thins out?  Maybe - but I don't think there will be as many to choose from.  I've seen, for example, the 8 series BMW drop very low - sub £1000 in the case of the early 850i - but you won't buy one for that money now.  Try finding anything decent under £10k today, and you'll struggle.  That's a relatively rare car though.  Will the values of ordinary cars ( such as my old E34 520i for example) increase in value, perhaps in line with inflation?  What are the cars that will go stratospheric over the next 10 years or so?  E34 / E36 / E39 M cars will do well I would say, but what of the E60 M5, for example?  Will its complexity keep values low?  What about other recent cars, which when they go wrong, are not financially viable to fix once they reach a few years old? 

 

What will we see when we attend classic car shows 25 years from now?

 

Now........ where was I again?

 

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I don't think "kids" do cars in the way we did and the decline of the I/C engine will make running something old less desirable / impossible?

 

Modern cars are just white goods like well made BMW's i think we are in decline with the car as a prized possession and much of today's cars will just be history or in static collections in years to come.

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Have to agree with Duncan. The kids of today are more interested in their future car having apple play and a heated steering wheel... The enthusiasts among them in love with the latest 1000hp supercar that McLaren or Ferrari have to offer. Oh how times have changed...

 

I'm in my 40's and currently own and use four classics (all German) through the summer months. One 70's car and three 90's cars. The 70's car is great for wafting around in and my 7 year old son loves it, mainly for its "keep fit" windows and huge airy cabin. The 90's cars for me are all about the actual driving feel and involvement, something most modern cars cannot even replicate now.

I applaud modern cars for their safety, power and economy but give me an early 90's car or older for sheer involvement. ;)

 

C.

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Watched a Car SoS yesterday on the Mk1 Astra GTE - mine was more the former car than the finished product but loved it having coveted one a teacher had at my school.

 

I'd love another not sure modern cars stir the soul in the same way!

 

It is nostalgia and of your era, call it a midlife crisis or what ever. Can't think of a modern car beyond the alfa 8c i lust after.

 

 

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Hi,

 

I've been saying this for a few years now, in 20+ years time, the kids of today who are 15 or so years old won't be splashing £100 grand on a Golf Mk2 GTi or a E36 M3, or Peugeot 205 GTi nor £40-50K on an E39 M5 or E46 M3. 

 

As guys who are currently in their 50's and 60's begin driving less or pass away and leave their Escort MK2's and Sierra Cosworths to their kids, a few cars will of course appeal to those with BIG pockets if they decide to sell them, but on the whole, Classic Fords (and other such like cars that are sought after now) will decline in value and selling price as there'll be less and less people interested in running and maintaining such a car. 

 

When running costs for fossil fueled cars gets ramped up over the next few years, more people will offload them and the surplus ones will get crushed/exchanged on the scrappage schemes. 

 

Car's are luxury items and as living, housing and education costs,  and other mandatory costs increase, there'll be less people willing or capable of spending £50-100K plus on an old Ford (other similar era car)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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The most alarming aspect of all this is probably the demise of those capable of still working on cars from the 70s-80s-90s.

They are rapidly becoming the last of a dying race.  The man in the battered overalls with the oil ring mark on his ear from the piece of tubing used to 'listen' to the engine is no more. The future of old car terminology will also diminish rapidly.

Carb-U -Eaters will become part of slimming world. 

Pressures of any description will be made gender neutral or illegal and treatable by the NHS. 

Any mention of performance will be banned for fear of making anyone feel inadequate.

0-60 will simply indicate how life is flying by these days compared to the laid back times of the Flower People.

0-75 will mean that the men in the van will be coming to collect you shortly for termination as per the new Government policy of compulsory ceasing to be after this age.

 

Protect yourself to some degree by never falling out with your children as they are the ones who will be selecting your nursing home!  

 

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I've always had a bit of a thing for the MK2 Granada, having owned 8 over the years including for a brief period 4 at the same time.

 

Only two left now, neither of which have been on the road for a decade. Just another thing I need to get around to at some point...

 

 

Too Many Granadas.jpg

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