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Maybe they're the lure as a mk3 3.0s Capri or mk2 rs2000 appeal too. 

Perhaps a Granada 2.8i ghia X or mk1. 

 

Argh your drawing me in ^_^

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The earlier comments about the last Ford Scorpio, ( the infamous bug eye),  brought back memories of my brief ownership of this model.  Ford had thrown everything at it in 1995 but it still looked like f... all squared externally!  Best viewed from the inside, it was nothing short of beautiful and the most comfortable car I have ever been in.  However the electronics were ultra complicated, with computers monitoring the computers that were monitoring the computers.  There was a constant ongoing search amongst owners to find more of the multitude of hidden menus buried within.   The E60 was only playing at the game.  The Scorpio had without a doubt more secret codes than a Masonic Lodge could ever have mustered.  The weird looks and constant electrical problems made it a short lived production, but there are still loads on the road with dedicated owners.

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Grew up with fords as well, my dad had granada 2.3l estate which we had for years chs713x and then he got a 2.9i ghia x auto in Black 5 door hatch. E444pms which we had for a very long time. Both of the granada’s were 100% reliable and none of them broke down despite several thousand miles being driven in them to France each year. 

Only Ford I have had was a rare Mondeo 2.0i Ghia x hatch 4x4 in an aubergine colour N196AAR.  The paint was pearlescent and when it was clean, it really did look pretty good. Almost like bmw techno violet a little bit.  I put quite a few miles on it and it was 100% reliable too. Only got rid in the end as it was parked one night outside my flat in Dennistoun in the east end of Glasgow and was hit head on by a Ned in a stolen Rover 200 :mad: 

really comfy car with switchable suspension that worked, decent stereo, nice seats, cold ac, alloys, headlamp washers, front and rear heated screens etc etc. It was superb in the snow and on very wet motorways, just gripped and gripped. But the 2ltr did struggle with the weight of the car. So it was not exactly what you would call quick :lol:

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3 hours ago, 535i Andrew said:

I can't recall the last time I saw a Sierra on the road let alone a proper Cortina or Granada.

 

All been raced now. The banger boys are paying up to £1,000 for a Granada shell nowadays. The max I ever paid was £100 for a Mk1 coupe with a 3.0 manual set up but I wouldn't usually pay more than £50.

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I had a Mk4 Zephyr 4.. 2 litre v4, 4 speed column shift and umbrella handle handbrake brake.. 2 big vinyl bench seats

Passed my test in it.. No power steering and 6 turns lock to lock made my 3 point turn a workout.

I got it cheap from a neighbour because it was partly seized engine anyone who knows the old Essex V engines will remember the hex drive from the distributor to often rounded off, anyway rebuilt it and it was fine. 

Me and my mates used to sit on the bonnet leant against the windscreen while we raced RC off road buggies on Streatham common the bonnet did not deflect one bit.. 

 

Had a Mk1 2.5 Granada estate after that it was bright purple with a silver stripe down it. I got hit by another car once who said he didn't see me :rolleyes:

 

My dad had a 2.5 consul (just before it called a granada) we removed the 2.5 and put a 3 litre in it and we stole a GXL dash from the breakers years and wired that into it. 

 

Ah the good ol' days. The good thing was parts were cheap and good job because it got through a lot of them they broke that much.. My dad and mine both broke the fibre camshaft timing gear, broke a rocker and bent a valve but soon replaced and back on the road after cleaning all the shit out of the sump.

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Cheers Blobby. 

 

I am just about to paint all the outside sills in our house and your comment about the guy not seeing you made me laugh and has brought on better form.  Had the pleasure of doing quite a few miles with a friend in his Zephyr/Zodiac mark 4 you mentioned and it certainly was comfortable and looked the part.  You could nearly have landed a helicopter on the bonnet!  We used the word 'pull' in those days with a feminine meaning. This car worked wonders in that respect.  Too well in fact as one of them is upstairs and still asleep as we speak!

 

In those 'good old days' I used to moan about having to pay  £20-£40 for parts from time to time for my Granadas Scorpios......  If I only knew what was ahead of me with my E60 530d!!!

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8 hours ago, coolhand9 said:

 

All been raced now. The banger boys are paying up to £1,000 for a Granada shell nowadays. The max I ever paid was £100 for a Mk1 coupe with a 3.0 manual set up but I wouldn't usually pay more than £50.

 

A grand for a shell? Is it indestructible or something?

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39 minutes ago, 535i Andrew said:

 

A grand for a shell? Is it indestructible or something? 

 

IMO they were certainly the best bangers, a perfect mixture of strength, speed, reliability and ease to work on. At the big meetings you would see anything up to 150 Granadas in a day. Even my local track, Smallfield, would see between 70 and 100 per meet along with Jags and Rovers. More modern cars are a bit of a nightmare for racers, crumple zones, ECU's, ABS, impact cut offs and god knows what other electrics make for a lot of work hence the silly prices for the old cars. Glad I retired when you could still pick them up for £50.

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15 hours ago, 535i Andrew said:

I can't recall the last time I saw a Sierra on the road let alone a proper Cortina or Granada. The tin worms got to them in this part of the country 

My local neighbour had a SIerra Cosworth Sapphire sitting on his front drive until two months ago when he chopped it in for an original Lotus 7, not a Caterham, Westfield or any other 7 wannabe, a genuine Lotus and it is stunning to both look at and hear!

 

The Sapphire was a dog of a thing, 4 doors - wrong, Aubergine colour - wrong, 4WD - wrong, and it had more rust streaks than a Baltic trawler! He still got enough for it to underwrite the Lotus without having to dig too deeply for the balance :huh:

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As a kid living in a fairly poor area most Fords on our road were sit-up-and-beg Ford Prefects, Populars, and (later) Anglia's or the odd Zodiac or Zephyr. Every cold morning the dawn chorus was a series of these cranking away for minutes at a time before wheezing into life. When I was old enough to work I often got a lift in a 3-speed Anglia. It needed a calendar, not a speedo. I then drove a series of company Mk1 and 2 Cortinas, and Escorts - mostly 1300cc or occasionally 1600's, basic models. Not particularly nice to drive, and none too reliable in my experience. 
I was never privileged to drive any of the GT or Lotus models, but those early experiences scarred me for life as far as Fords were concerned. I didn't want one then and don't want one now. Stupid I know to be so biased, but people are sometimes like that with a particular marque. It's been German or Swedish as our main car for a long while now - though our Berlingo 'shed' has done sterling service for the last 6-7 years.
 

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22 hours ago, oldjohnny said:

Cheers Blobby. 

 

I am just about to paint all the outside sills in our house and your comment about the guy not seeing you made me laugh and has brought on better form.  Had the pleasure of doing quite a few miles with a friend in his Zephyr/Zodiac mark 4 you mentioned and it certainly was comfortable and looked the part.  You could nearly have landed a helicopter on the bonnet!  We used the word 'pull' in those days with a feminine meaning. This car worked wonders in that respect.  Too well in fact as one of them is upstairs and still asleep as we speak!

 

In those 'good old days' I used to moan about having to pay  £20-£40 for parts from time to time for my Granadas Scorpios......  If I only knew what was ahead of me with my E60 530d!!!

Talking about pull with a feminine meaning my mates and me used to go up Thornton Heath high street and used to try to do a wheel spin.. I would rev the engine and dump the clutch which would cause the 'thin as a bicycle' cross-ply tyres to just let out a pathetic chirp :wacko:

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10 hours ago, Blobby said:

Talking about pull with a feminine meaning my mates and me used to go up Thornton Heath high street and used to try to do a wheel spin.. I would rev the engine and dump the clutch which would cause the 'thin as a bicycle' cross-ply tyres to just let out a pathetic chirp :wacko:

 

Did you "pull" using that technique? ;)

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On 6/5/2018 at 4:19 PM, Sarnie said:

Still lots of love for Capri's, never been without one since 1981, had many over the years but only have the race car now, owned it since 1986 although I think the tailgate is all that remains from the original car.

 

Out testing last year, first race in a couple of months after a long break.....

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Had a Granada 2.8i Ghia X back in the 90's, great towing barge....

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Just ... wow :wub:

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On 6/5/2018 at 6:59 PM, Calypso-E34 said:

 

 

Happily, my Scorpio was an estate. Better looking from the rear anyway!!

Ooh did you ever replace the rear shocks? Ridiculously expensive and was probably the reason why owners scrapped or got rid

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If anyone thinks finding bits for old BMWs is hard at times, try finding bits for a 25 year old Ford - or worse still, Austin / Rover. 

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5 minutes ago, Calypso-E34 said:

If anyone thinks finding bits for old BMWs is hard at times, try finding bits for a 25 year old Ford - or worse still, Austin / Rover. 

There’s a guy that has a stall at the monthly auto jumble and he is there without fail every time, he has alsorts of brand new Austin / British Leyland parts, from allegro chrome to montego rear quarters, I always have good nosey what he has brought even tho I have no use for any of it, I have a full set of nearly new 3 door cosworth floor mats in the shed that’ll be worth a few quid, as well as Astra the parts and more Sierra stuff than I’d like to admit to:oops:

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I’ve got a box of Mk1 Metro bits in the shed. Not worth much now, but maybe in 10 years!

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13 hours ago, 535i Andrew said:

 

Did you "pull" using that technique? ;)

What do you think :unsure:

The car to have was either the Mk1 Capri 3.0 or the Mk1 Escort with a full set of Cibies

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13 hours ago, Calypso-E34 said:

I’ve got a box of Mk1 Metro bits in the shed. Not worth much now, but maybe in 10 years!

Got to love an optimist  :D

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Remember so well standing outside a Ford showroom in central Belfast at midnight 1969, waiting for the cover to come off for the grand unveiling of  'The Car You Always Promised Yourself'. namely the Ford Capri.   I hate the word 'gobsmacked', but nothing else would describe the rows of dropped jaws staring at this beautiful creation, in, would you believe GREEN.

 

Ford were taken completely by surprise in the uptake as sales exceeded expectations by 100%.  Available in a range of power units from 1.3 litre right up to the one to have, namely, as Blobby says,  the 3.0 litre V6, and also in a multitude of options.  Would you believe that after appearing at the New York Motor Show in 1970 over 500,000 were exported to North America!

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15 hours ago, Calypso-E34 said:

I’ve got a box of Mk1 Metro bits in the shed. Not worth much now, but maybe in 10 years!

 

 

If they are metal bits Mark, I would check that they haven't dissolved into steels constituent parts.

 

If they aren't resembling a pile of iron oxide, I would be surprised if they haven't fossilised by now. :D

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On 6/8/2018 at 6:18 AM, Blobby said:

What do you think :unsure:

The car to have was either the Mk1 Capri 3.0 or the Mk1 Escort with a full set of Cibies

 

The biggest problem with the 3-ltre Capri was that shite engine - fibre timing gears and a crap oil pump shaft. Certain death to many an Essex (the 'pencil' did for my Dad's Mk. IV Zodiac - knackered at 55,000 miles. New short motor fixed that :))

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9 hours ago, e60neindanke said:

 

The biggest problem with the 3-ltre Capri was that shite engine - fibre timing gears and a crap oil pump shaft. Certain death to many an Essex (the 'pencil' did for my Dad's Mk. IV Zodiac - knackered at 55,000 miles. New short motor fixed that :))

The best upgrade at the time was to fit a Rover V8 to it.. A much lighter engine being all aluminium with more power and doesn't sound like a bag a nuts in a blender at higher RPM thanks to the hydraulic tappets.

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