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Finally tracked down some Breyton Inspiration alloys in a 19” size I have been chasing for quite some time ! 

Unfortunately I have a nagging doubt that the rears will fit under the arches :rolleyes:

Rears are currently running 275 tyres which look slightly stretched.

ET is a low 19

10j wide.

Fronts should fit ok though as they are 9j but with the same ET running 245 tyres.

Im assuming I would need at least a 10mm spacer on the rear as well which in my mind will push them out to far !

 

Any thoughts you wheel gurus out there ? 

 

 

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https://www.willtheyfit.com/

 

try that, get out there with a tape measure, or just bolt them on and see what happens.

 

I know a staggered style 66 is 17x9 ET26 using a 255 40, the fronts are 17x8 ET20. using a 235 45, and were fitted to my E34 with a slight roll to the rear aches using a 20mm spacer!  (god knows why, previous owner or the one before did that)  so a 275 may well go in ok, at ET19 without any spacing out.

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Hi,

 

What's the centre bore size? if 74.15mm then they're fine to fit and the 10 inch rear on an ET19 will also be ok. The fronts are also good to fit on as well assuming the same centre bore. If the CB is 72.56 or, has a larger 76 or 82mm size, then you can use hubcentric adapters/rings to bring to 74.15mm.

 

To look nice, you'll need to be running a lower ride height than the oem sport height. Depending on how low you want to run, you could vary the tyre sizing to 235/35 fronts and 265/30/19 rears and you might need to slightly roll in the inner arches to give a little clearance. You'll also need to look at tyre shoulder shapes just in case you get a small amount of rub as some tyres have a 'squarer' shape than others. If you use coilover suspension, then you can adjust the height till you get it just right. If you use static springs/shocks, then look at the lowering amount carefully, given you are already 15mm lower than non sport suspension. 

 

Finally, I have a set of genuine Breyton centre caps which you can have to complete them :)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Thanks for the input Dennis.

Unbelievably yes they are a 74.1 centre bore. So they should fit with a 10mm spacer or is this not needed ? 

@ welshpug, I have indeed tried that site (had it saved as a favourite) but it doesn’t list a 10j wheel. 

I do not really want to stretch the rear tyres anymore as I’m not 100% with the 275’s let olone going for more stretch with 265’s .  

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I'm running 275/30 on the rears with a 9.5" alloy and an ET of 24; I'm lowered and they rubbed with a 5mm hubcentric shim on, so removed that and no more rubbing, so I'd take that into consideration, but as you're not lowered (IIRC) you should be fine

 

A 10mm spacer on the rear would have them at ET9 and IMO; that'd be too much, unless you plan to get the arches rolled etc

 

Fronts will be spot on, more room in the arches ;)

 

My tyre sizes are in my sig below and I've zero issues with rubbing, I have a 5mm hubcentric shim on the fronts also, so the current ET is 10; they sit spot on IMO, tucked just under the arches, no issues on full lock or any rubbing on the inner arch or the damper etc

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Well I have just come back from a drive down south to have a look at these Breytons and to trial fit a rear.

Success B)

Currently running 18" M-parras with a 10mm spacer. The spacer did not want to budge at first so we tried a wheel with and guess what ? Both wheel and tyre sat outside the arch line. Not good and an MOT fail. Removed the spacer and the rim is now level with the arch and the tyres being slightly stretched sit slightly inboard.

I'm having them anyway and when they get sent off for a refurb on the lips I will trial fit some 285's as I'm not a massive fan of stretched tyres.

No pics of the trial fit I'm afraid as I was too excited to hold a camera :lol:

Looks like my M-parras will be up for sale in the not too distant future !

@Dennis shoot me a pm with price and pics of those centre caps when you get a chance please mate

 

Been looking at Coilovers specifically HSD MonoPro's (but that's another story !)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Milo said:

Well I have just come back from a drive down south to have a look at these Breytons and to trial fit a rear.

Success B)

Currently running 18" M-parras with a 10mm spacer. The spacer did not want to budge at first so we tried a wheel with and guess what ? Both wheel and tyre sat outside the arch line. Not good and an MOT fail. Removed the spacer and the rim is now level with the arch and the tyres being slightly stretched sit slightly inboard.

I'm having them anyway and when they get sent off for a refurb on the lips I will trial fit some 285's as I'm not a massive fan of stretched tyres.

No pics of the trial fit I'm afraid as I was too excited to hold a camera :lol:

Looks like my M-parras will be up for sale in the not too distant future !

@Dennis shoot me a pm with price and pics of those centre caps when you get a chance please mate

 

Been looking at Coilovers specifically HSD MonoPro's (but that's another story !)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sounds good... Pics when you're all done ;)

 

As for coilovers, I can't recommend BCs or D2 coilovers high enough. Both are superb and more than adequate for normal every day to day road driving and they'll handle a track day or 3 too ;) 

 

Believe me, once you get these 19s on you'll want to lower :lol: 

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Hi Milo,

 

Sounds like you've lucked out with them being 74.15mm CB! 

 

As Dan mentions, I have a little correction in that you 'have' to lower once you put 19s on the E39! The visual trick that there's more wheelarch to tyre 'gap' makes the car 'look' a bit funny. a 30/40mm ride height drop sorts that out and if indeed you are going coilovers, then you'll be easily adjust till you find the height that suits you in relation to your tyres/offsets/any slight rubs etc. 

 

I'm not sure if there's a suitable 285 width tyre as the rolling radius will be affected to the extent it might be outside the +/- 3% variation. Going more than 3% means the car's sensors/computers might restrict power once they detect the out of tolerance rolling radius. All the major BMW tuners had wheel sets for the E39 with 9.5s at the rear but Breyton had 10's for the rears and BBS also specified 10's. Each of those did indeed recommend 275/30 tyres. Although the stretch is there, it's minimal and I'd say it's quite hard to detect, so you'd be better to just keep to 275's. 

 

For the refinish, what are you thinking of?  I'd suggest perhaps having the lips hand polished and the centres painted/powdercoated. Reason I mention it is that Breyton with a few of it's wheel designs used a stainless steel lip which looked awesome when clean and no damage, but shabby once damaged. No wheel refinishers wanted to try refinishing stainless steel either. I think it was a case of having to buy very expensive stainless steel replacements. From the picture of your Inspirations, I don't think they had these stainless lips, so your options are much better. 

 

I'll get some pics of the Breyton wheel caps I have and PM to you soon. 

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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you dont need that site to list a 10" wheel, you input the size into the calculator.

 

 

its inches not J for the width, J is a bead profile not an unit of measurement.

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Having problems trying to upload a pic within the specified size :(

Got this but it’s a bit small and lacks clarity.

Ohh ! And I’ve not cleaned them in this shot :rolleyes:

Will definitely be attempting to fit 285x30’s on the rear as I’m not quite happy with the present 275’s which leave the outer lip somewhat exposed ! 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, this was the the intention. Love my style 37 parras and seriously thinking of keeping them but I’ve wanted some 19’s for a while now. 

Its only ever been 3 choices 

19” style 37 replicas 

Breyton Inspirations

AC Schnitzer Type 3’s (without the rivets) 

I feel extremely lucky as I have been looking for Breytons for at least 3 years and have been offered quite a few sets in that time. All were the wrong offset and the ‘other’ centre bore. Mine are 74.1 and staggered so it’s fair to say I’m chuffed :lol:

 

ps.I really will be if I can squeeze those 285 tyres on though  B)

 

 

 

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I reckon 285s may rub when going over bumps etc... 

 

Only one way to find out though ;)

 

I went for 275s on my 19s as they offer a nice straight sidewall and better rim protection... 

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Aaaaarh ! Disaster ! When something’s too good to be true it usually is :(

Been to get the Breytons balanced properly today to try and cure a wobbly steering wheel above 45mph and guess what ? One of the front wheels has a slight buckle ! Obviously the guy I bought these from is saying they were perfect and maybe I have caused it !!  

Went and got a 2nd opinion at another tyre garage and they said the same thing.

Even showed me on the wheel balancer.

The guy tried his best and indeed balanced it (in the end) but the wobble is still there at 50+ mph. 

Gone to a few wheel repair specialists and one said it’s possibly the hub rather than the dish(s) and is non repairable.

(they can fix them if you have a kink/dent)

Got one more place to try Mon but as the buckle is not visible until the wheel is spun I’m not building my hopes up  :(

Also waiting for a German eBayer to get back to me on center bore size for a possible replacement although this is a et 20 and mine are et19 ! 

Gutted !

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Update: The hub on my wheel is indeed buckled, the wobbly wheel is scrap :(

(Might make a coffee table out of it !) 

However I’ve been in touch with a German guy who has a brand new one in the exact spec (apart from the et) at a very reasonable cost  shipped ! Phew !!......and breathe :lol:

 

As a side note I’m now very knowledgeable in wheel repairs. :lol:

It was just sods law I had the kind of damage that cannot be fixed. 

 

 

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They look well

 

You just need to lower the car now and get the alloys refurbed in sparkle silver IMO ;) They'd really set the car off then :mrgreen: 

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I’m not touching the spokes at all Dan.

Just going to have the lips refurbed then highly polish them B)

 

I think I will be ordering these 

https://www.hsdcoilovers.com/bmw-e39-5-series-hsd-monopro-coilovers-57860.html

 

It won’t be for a while yet though as I’m contemplating replacing most of the bushes underneath whilst I’m at it ! 

 

Going to open a project thread at some point as I have a huge file of pics detailing some subltle changes I’ve made (and plan to) since I’ve owned ‘RIO’ 

 

 

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