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Got handed a letter today and escorted off the premises, had a run in with my supervisor yesterday and got heated, only been there  17 months. Feel so ashamed

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Sounds like you've had an awful time of it, maybe you need to get away for a few days,  let the thoughts and worries settle  down and clear the mind. Can you go back to a previous employer? 

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1 hour ago, paulie031 said:

Sorry, just been under pressure recently from my mother in law passing away and trying to find a care home for my mam who has dementia 

 

What are the terms of your employment?

 

Generally under 2 years you've very little protection; but they cannot just dismiss anyone without just cause and usually there has to be a management intermediary before someone is 'sacked'

 

Were you given written details as to why you were sacked; was it evidenced etc

 

If not, there's serious case for constructive dismissal etc

 

If you want/need/enjoy the job, don't just roll over and take it as 9/10 times these things are done wrong, but people just accept it!

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5 minutes ago, jake13 said:

If the decision is unfair, contact ACAS.

I've contacted them, they said I can appeal in writing but other than that they are within their rights to just dismiss me

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56 minutes ago, paulie031 said:

How do I explain this to my next employer?  Sorry guys my heads in the shed

Explain what? 

All you say is at your last place there was a conflict of interest and you thought it was best if you left. 

Or you say you have been “self employed” or free lance (if you can in your line of work) and your contract was finished and you are now looking for a steady work load/pay as it’s a ball ache trying to find suitable work and you think that the bloke sitting across from you is the correct fit....

 

theres ways to be economical with the truth without making yourself out to be dishonest ;) 

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22 minutes ago, Yokozuna said:

Explain what? 

All you say is at your last place there was a conflict of interest and you thought it was best if you left. 

Or you say you have been “self employed” or free lance (if you can in your line of work) and your contract was finished and you are now looking for a steady work load/pay as it’s a ball ache trying to find suitable work and you think that the bloke sitting across from you is the correct fit....

 

theres ways to be economical with the truth without making yourself out to be dishonest ;) 

 

Thanks for the advice, quite a few people from my old works have been in contact saying they can't believe what's happened 

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An argument is one thing, serious misconduct quite another. 

At the very least sounds like you ought to try a polite letter to whoever the overall boss is to at request an opportunity to explain your side of things, emphasising your deep regret that an argument got out of hand but clearly stating you feel their ultimate decision to dismiss you is out of proportion. 

It might, hopefully, give you a second chance or soften their position on a neutral reference in future if they're a bit more sympathetic - I'd request their HR person attend if theyve got one . Good luck mate. 

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8 hours ago, paulie031 said:

How do I explain this to my next employer?  Sorry guys my heads in the shed

 

You dont tell them anything about your previous job other that what you did there. You decided to leave to look after your mother because it was taking too much of your time from work. You dont want to go on too much about this at your next interview, just mention it in passing. If the interviewer asks why you are not going back to your old employer, just say the job wasnt what you thought it was going to be. You didnt find it challenging enough and are now looking for new opportunities. Remember that a job interview is a two way street. Its your chance to find out what they will be like to work with. Ask them questions about their plans and future. Interviewers like positive people.

 

They will want to talk to your old employer, but wont get anything out of HR other than that you worked there for the time stated. They wont say why you left.

 

Remember, maintain a positive mental attitude and you wont go wrong. Look upon this situation as an opportunity, rather than an upset. Good luck for the future. 

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18 hours ago, jake13 said:

If the decision is unfair, contact ACAS.

 

ACAS ar a conciliation service - and it takes them FOREVER to answer any correspondence whatsoever.  Speak to a solicitor with experience in the field, or if not, Citizen's advice.

 

John H is right about what your previous employer will say.  You can't give a bad reference these days believe it or not, or you can be successfully sued for hampering future employment opportunities.  If I am asked for a reference for a problem employee, I simply put it in the bin.  Not worth the admin time.  If I am asked for one for someone who was good in their job, I really lay it on thick for them.

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15 minutes ago, Calypso-E34 said:

 If I am asked for a reference for a problem employee, I simply put it in the bin.  Not worth the admin time.  If I am asked for one for someone who was good in their job, I really lay it on thick for them.

 

Sounds like the future employer is getting a raw deal here and another reason this whole PC world has gone to rat sh!t.

 

paulie031 - fingers crossed you have a case and all gets sorted amicably.

 

C.

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Thanks guys, I've doubted myself over the past 24hrs wether I am a problem employee. Met up with one of my best mates this morning who said with me I don't suffer fools, and there's a few folls there. I'd like to think I'm  pretty good at my job programming a 5 axis lathe, sometimes long hand as there's no cad/cam software there.

 

Have decided to just move on and find something else 

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Exactly, move on. Chin up, bit of bollox and get grafting.

 

I’ve been there, used to flip if someone looked at me the wrong way, but i always had the ability to graft, which i did.

 

Dig deep, you don’t need sympathy, so consider this a kick in the bollox....chop chop now. ;)

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On 28/03/2018 at 10:12 PM, SuperDave said:

An argument is one thing, serious misconduct quite another. 

At the very least sounds like you ought to try a polite letter to whoever the overall boss is to at request an opportunity to explain your side of things, emphasising your deep regret that an argument got out of hand but clearly stating you feel their ultimate decision to dismiss you is out of proportion. 

It might, hopefully, give you a second chance or soften their position on a neutral reference in future if they're a bit more sympathetic - I'd request their HR person attend if theyve got one . Good luck mate. 

+1 for this. I know it might seem like eating humble pie, but you've been under a lot of stress lately. Explain your domestic situation and see if they'll take you back. If they will it will at least give you time to look for another job. Perhaps when the situation improves at home? 

I've been in the same situation regarding care homes and dementia; it's horrible. Good luck.

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Tbh guys I'm out of energy and my main priority is my wife and mother.  Jobs come and go, family doesn't. We're on holiday next week as booked it a few weeks ago, my wife needed a change of scenery as she's suffering quite badly with grief so it's all a bit too much to take on Thu. Besides she says find something else and leave them to it. I don't need to work with people like that

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From the wording you mentioned it does not appear that you are being accused of gross or even serious misconduct. You haven't worked there long enough to have any rights so they could have asked you to leave because they don't like your face.

 

Sounds to me like you have your priorities right - you are looking after your wife and she is backing you. Put it behind you and enjoy your holiday.

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They should have done a proper investigation and heard your side of the story before dimissing you what a bunch of a***holes.  

 

On 28/03/2018 at 6:43 PM, paulie031 said:

 a care home for my mam who has dementia 

 

One of my best friends Mum's has dementia and is in a care home which carters for her condition.  It was the last thing he wanted to do put her in a home, but he was becoming seriously ill because  of it - he couldn't cope, therefore it made him have a breakdown.  Dementia is horrible.   I hope one day soon they find a cure for dementia , cancer, and other common diseases/illnesses such as diabetes etc. 

 

Also hope your Mum goes into a nice care home

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Thanks, until you posted about hearing my side of the story it never dawned on me about that. Emotions are all over the place, hopefully get my mam sorted in the next few weeks too, it's been a horrible start to the year

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2 hours ago, paulie031 said:

Thanks, until you posted about hearing my side of the story it never dawned on me about that.

 

If it will eat away at you.  (Very unlikely they will give you job back), but I will write an appeal letter today, explaining you would have sent it quicker but due to the public holidays not enough time as was too busy. However in that letter write that they were wrong not to do a full investigation, your side of the story, and with constructive language why your supervisor is a clown - no one likes him, and that he is a liability.

 

May not make any difference to them but it will be in the back of their minds.  Also hopefully may make you feel better

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