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can anyone help me?

ive got a 2011 bmw 5 series m sport and when i brake at 70-80mph i get a bad vibration through my brake pedal and steering wheel plus i  also get a vibration at 75mph on cruise control. ive had 4 new tyres fitted and balanced 4 different times, wheel alignment 4 times, new brembo pads and discs back and front and just had the alloys checked for buckles which 3 wheels were  (now buckles done) but still got this vibration and its driving me mad.

i've been to 4 different garages and all have said brake discs but they have only been on for 3 weeks so surely cant be them??

can anyone help please??

 

one garage did say you can only put genuine discs and pads on a bmw 5 series m sport due to the chassis and that brembo are no good??

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i dont know about only using genuine parts, but I'm sure plenty of people run different brakes and discs without issue. 

 

When this happened on my e39 it was the bushes for the anti roll bars (ARBs) have your garage checked out all the suspension bushes for play? It's not much help sorry as I would be amazed if this wasn't spotted by all 4 garages. 

 

Personally I would only use genuine parts, the brakes bmw use are a little dusty but they stop the car really well, I don't know why people use alternatives to be honest. - price I guess? If the garages have all said the discs, did they actually look at the car? If so why do you doubt them? Perhaps the disc was manufactured incorrectly and has failed? If it's not your bushes Personally, I'd cut my losses and grab some genuine discs if I were you - they are on bmw's ebay shop and not ridiculous amounts of cash.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-Genuine-Lightweight-Front-Brake-Discs-Set-F10-F11-5-Series-34116794429-/171883705706?hash=item280511356a

 

 

maybe just switch out the front first and see where that gets you? good luck! my money is on worn suspension bushes though as you get the judder when not braking also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Had it to a different garage today and the bloke said that he had a f10 bmw in roughly 2 months ago with the exact same problem as me and he spent a small fortune like me on pads discs tyres ECT and it turned out it was the wheel hub bearings that was causing the problem due to a warped disc knackering them. So I have my car in on Tuesday to get both front ones done as when he checked it on a machine you could hear it. Went to bmw £520 +vat for two then fitting on top!! Got 2 febi ones £210 for the pair so we will see what happens on Tuesday.

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2 hours ago, andy m said:

Had it to a different garage today and the bloke said that he had a f10 bmw in roughly 2 months ago with the exact same problem as me and he spent a small fortune like me on pads discs tyres ECT and it turned out it was the wheel hub bearings that was causing the problem due to a warped disc knackering them. So I have my car in on Tuesday to get both front ones done as when he checked it on a machine you could hear it. Went to bmw £520 +vat for two then fitting on top!! Got 2 febi ones £210 for the pair so we will see what happens on Tuesday.

excellent! good job i'm not a betting man I wouldn't have thought wheel bearings, they're pretty bulletproof on german cars arn't they - as you say dodgy discs causing accelerated wear!

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I am having similar problems.

 

Whole car vibrates about 70mph and worse over..

 

No vibration when braking.

 

Tyres are all above 5mm.

 

I am going to investigate tomorrow.. 

 

I have two sets of alloys so will try the other set tomoz and see if it's is a buckled wheel..

 

My car has done 72k

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If it's shaking like a washing machine when you're not braking it'll be wheels buckled.  Feel it in the seats? Rears. Feel it in the steering wheel? Fronts.

 

Feel it both? Yup front and back.

 

 

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As mike suggests for jkas, always check wheel balancing first.  It is usually the cause and it is also the cheapest fix.

 

Did the op find the cause?

 

Juddering when braking especially from those speeds are usually the brake discs that are warped.

 

Both of my previous BMW have suffered from a sticky caliper.  

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Had it to a different garage today and the bloke said that he had a f10 bmw in roughly 2 months ago with the exact same problem as me and he spent a small fortune like me on pads discs tyres ECT and it turned out it was the wheel hub bearings that was causing the problem due to a warped disc knackering them. So I have my car in on Tuesday to get both front ones done as when he checked it on a machine you could hear it. Went to bmw £520 +vat for two then fitting!! Got 2 febi ones £210 for the pair so we will see what happens on Tuesday.

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15 hours ago, bmwmike said:

If it's shaking like a washing machine when you're not braking it'll be wheels buckled.  Feel it in the seats? Rears. Feel it in the steering wheel? Fronts.

 

Feel it both? Yup front and back.

 

 

Hi Mike! My car vibrates when driving at 70+ mph but when I brake at anything above 55 it is 10 times worse!?

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11 minutes ago, andy m said:

Hi Mike! My car vibrates when driving at 70+ mph but when I brake at anything above 55 it is 10 times worse!?

 

Doesn't sound good. Could possibly be a combination of things.  Wheel buckle or out of balance (varying degrees of the same thing) is favourite for non-braking vibations and if you're braking it could be brake reaction bushes, lower wishbones, wheel bearing..

 

 

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On 16/02/2018 at 3:49 PM, bmwmike said:

 

Doesn't sound good. Could possibly be a combination of things.  Wheel buckle or out of balance (varying degrees of the same thing) is favourite for non-braking vibations and if you're braking it could be brake reaction bushes, lower wishbones, wheel bearing..

 

 

Hi Mike!I have had all the above done ot checked aswell as 4x new tyres pads and discs all round (brembo). But i did go to a different garage last thursday and the bloke said he had a f10 in with the same problem a couple of months earlier and it turned out to be wheel hub stroke bearings.! He also said due to me having had a warped disc (front right) that it would cause the bearings to knacker/wheel hub if not changed straight away. Will post next week when.ive had mine done!

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On 2/16/2018 at 12:54 PM, jkas1984 said:

Found out what the problem was.

 

 

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Why do you have 255/35R19 92Y tyres on an F11? They should be 245/40R19 98Y per BMW's spec assuming those are either style 351m or 331 wheels?

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1 hour ago, Matthew Ashton said:

 

Why do you have 255/35R19 92Y tyres on an F11? They should be 245/40R19 98Y per BMW's spec assuming those are either style 351m or 331 wheels?

Yes, I was wondering the same. As Matthew says, should be 245/40 on the front and if those are 351m the rears should be 275/35.

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15 hours ago, jannism said:

Yes, I was wondering the same. As Matthew says, should be 245/40 on the front and if those are 351m the rears should be 275/35.

 

They would be non-staggered on the F11 from factory so 245/40R19 all round.

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Hi guys, just out of interest do we know how many people have had the front wheel bearing replaced to resolve the issue?

 

I have a to do list of things i want to get sorted on my car and this is next.

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I was at a wheel refurb specialist last week.

 

He told me that on BMW rims you should not powder coat the face of the rim that mates with the hub. 

 

The story he told is if there is a coating between the disc face and the rim this prevents heat from leaving the disc (into the alloy rim and dissipating) and it the disc warps. He said BMW has refused warranty claims following powder coating of rims on this mating surface. Customer complains of a vibration.

 

I'm not sure that this would happen on a car that wasn't being driven like it was stolen to get that amount of heat into a brake disc to cause it to warp, but you do hear all sorts of stories.......

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4 hours ago, roundy said:

Hi guys, just out of interest do we know how many people have had the front wheel bearing replaced to resolve the issue?

 

I have a to do list of things i want to get sorted on my car and this is next.

Hi roundy 

 

I had my bearings and hubs changed about 2months ago and been fine until came back from Scotland and the brake vibration started again but not as bad at the moment!?

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