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E39 M5 in Need of Clutch/Flywheel. What To Buy?

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Hi all, 

 

Apparently I posted this originally in the ‘peasant’ section, so apologies for the duplicate thread of you find the other one too :lol:

 

My clutch pedal is sitting really high and I fear the clutch is on its last legs. It's a September 2000 (very early facelift) E39 M5 with 164k on the clock.

 

I have a friend who's a mechanic and used to work for a German car specialist, so he knows his way around the car - I just need to know what to buy.

 

Any recommendations for reasonably priced clutch kits and a flywheel? Fingers crossed it's just the clutch that needs doing and I can take the flywheel back for a refund!

Thanks in advance B)

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See what the forum sponsor "Cotswolds" can do?

 

When I had the clutch done on my previous car that's where my indy sourced the parts - he was also able to return the flywheel without quibble... although I'm lucky as my indy is based in Gloucester as are Cotswolds (along with Cheltenham)

 

Failing that have you had a look on ECP?

 

https://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/BMW_M5_4.9_2000/p/car-parts/car-transmission/clutch-and-associated-parts/clutch-kit/?641110660&1&2857ee7fd496e173cb2cf66dd8e5f9cb11f3d76b&000069

 

Or have a read of this topic ...

 

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/196392-e39-m5-oem-clutch-flywheel-luk.html

 

 

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LUK clutch kit and flywheel is OE. Available at huge discount compared to sourcing from a BMW dealer.

 

Use this Schaeffler (parent company of LUK, Ruville, FAG etc) web catalogue for part numbers and do a google search for best deals.

Web cat here: http://webcat.schaeffler-aftermarket.com/web/schaeffler/en_GB/applicationSearch.xhtml?reset=1

 

At the sort of mileage your car has done - and if your car is a keeper - I'd strongly recommend you replace all of the following :- clutch, pressure plate, release bearing (AKA 'clutch kit'). And the flywheel.

 

Plus:-

- the guide bush (#1 in the diagram):

 http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=23_1400

 

- the release fork (#5 in the diagram); the ball pin (#6) + the spring clip (#7): 

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=21_0140

(A small dab of grease on the ball pin when fitting to the car.)

 

- the clutch slave cylinder (#15 in the diagram)

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=21_0150

 

Did all of the above on my car and now have a beautifully light, smooth and perfectly quiet clutch.

 

With the gear box out, consider overhauling the wearing parts of gear change mechanism. They're relatively cheap parts and it's a cinch to do without the gearbox in place.

These:

#3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14 here: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=25_0009

(If you were to only do one of the above then definitely change #14. Yours will be utterly shot if it hasn't been changed already.)

 

"While you're in there"......would be silly not to replace:

The rear main seal (#7): http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=11_2644

 

I did all of the above (& more...other gearbox seals etc.) because I didn't want to go in there again. Ever.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, DepthHoar said:

LUK clutch kit and flywheel is OE. Available at huge discount compared to sourcing from a BMW dealer.

 

Use this Schaeffler (parent company of LUK, Ruville, FAG etc) web catalogue for part numbers and do a google search for best deals.

Web cat here: http://webcat.schaeffler-aftermarket.com/web/schaeffler/en_GB/applicationSearch.xhtml?reset=1

 

At the sort of mileage your car has done - and if your car is a keeper - I'd strongly recommend you replace all of the following :- clutch, pressure plate, release bearing (AKA 'clutch kit'). And the flywheel.

 

Plus:-

- the guide bush (#1 in the diagram):

 http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=23_1400

 

- the release fork (#5 in the diagram); the ball pin (#6) + the spring clip (#7): 

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=21_0140

(A small dab of grease on the ball pin when fitting to the car.)

 

- the clutch slave cylinder (#15 in the diagram)

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=21_0150

 

Did all of the above on my car and now have a beautifully light, smooth and perfectly quiet clutch.

 

With the gear box out, consider overhauling the wearing parts of gear change mechanism. They're relatively cheap parts and it's a cinch to do without the gearbox in place.

These:

#3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14 here: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=25_0009

(If you were to only do one of the above then definitely change #14. Yours will be utterly shot if it hasn't been changed already.)

 

"While you're in there"......would be silly not to replace:

The rear main seal (#7): http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DE92-EUR-09-2001-E39-BMW-M5&diagId=11_2644

 

I did all of the above (& more...other gearbox seals etc.) because I didn't want to go in there again. Ever.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for that! It’s good to know that the LUK kits are the OE parts anyway, as that is what I was eyeing up. It would appear that they were cheaper a few years ago too? I found a post from 2011 where someone says they found the clutch kit and flywheel for £500-600!

 

Roughly, how much did all of that cost you?

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August 2013: LUK Clutch kit and flywheel - £455 delivered.

 

The other bits for the clutch/DMF change + gear change overhaul. - Difficult to fine detail the cost without looking through many, many receipts.

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22 minutes ago, DepthHoar said:

August 2013: LUK Clutch kit and flywheel - £455 delivered.

 

The other bits for the clutch/DMF change + gear change overhaul. - Difficult to fine detail the cost without looking through many, many receipts.

Eeeeesh - the flywheel alone now is £1000+ :blink:

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15 minutes ago, MiniOneSam said:

Eeeeesh - the flywheel alone now is £1000+ :blink:

Maybe your "peasant" section was not an accident.....

;):lol: 

 

good luck with running your M5 on a shoestring....

;) 

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Should be able to do the clutch kit and flywheel for under £800:

 

Put these part numbers into Amazon.co.uk for LUK prices: 

 

Clutch kit - 624 3150 00 

DMF flywheel  - 624 3150 00

 

Total when I checked this morning was £784 including delivery.

 

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On 08/02/2018 at 11:56 PM, Yokozuna said:

Maybe your "peasant" section was not an accident.....

;):lol: 

 

good luck with running your M5 on a shoestring....

;) 

I'm not trying to run it on a shoestring, but when something that I need could cost well over £1000, and used to cost £455, I just want to make sure I'm not being ripped off. I don't just have money to throw around - fuel isn't cheap in these things either :lol:

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On 09/02/2018 at 8:00 AM, DepthHoar said:

Should be able to do the clutch kit and flywheel for under £800:

 

Put these part numbers into Amazon.co.uk for LUK prices: 

 

Clutch kit - 624 3150 00 

DMF flywheel  - 624 3150 00

 

Total when I checked this morning was £784 including delivery.

 

Thanks @DepthHoar.

 

I used the clutch number and found the flywheel kit (you pasted the number twice!), and managed to find the following prices:

 

624 3150 00 = £120.35 (including an additional 10% off) delivered from Mister-Auto

415 0110 10 = £308.70 delivered from Amazon


Total spend = £429.05 and some beers for a friend, a Senior Tech at work, who used to work at a German car specialist B)

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On 2/10/2018 at 5:55 PM, MiniOneSam said:

Thanks @DepthHoar.

 

I used the clutch number and found the flywheel kit (you pasted the number twice!), and managed to find the following prices:

 

624 3150 00 = £120.35 (including an additional 10% off) delivered from Mister-Auto

415 0110 10 = £308.70 delivered from Amazon


Total spend = £429.05 and some beers for a friend, a Senior Tech at work, who used to work at a German car specialist B)

Good work there. I cant believe how much more these are now! I was watching a full LUK kit on ebay for £475 for a while as its on the list of jobs to do, just checked again now and its nearly £800! should have bought one last year. Do you have the link for the flywheel at that price? I couldn't get anywhere near that..

 

I also bought a stainless steel clutch pin from Hack Engineering as I heard the plastic ones flatten off over time. I hope they don't make a noise though :huh:

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36 minutes ago, Jameswsb said:

Good work there. I cant believe how much more these are now! I was watching a full LUK kit on ebay for £475 for a while as its on the list of jobs to do, just checked again now and its nearly £800! should have bought one last year. Do you have the link for the flywheel at that price? I couldn't get anywhere near that..

 

I also bought a stainless steel clutch pin from Hack Engineering as I heard the plastic ones flatten off over time. I hope they don't make a noise though :huh:

 

LUK 415011010 Dual Mass Flywheel https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0068NZFFS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_sHDGAbP29PDRJ

 

You’re welcome ;)

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Ordered a flywheel. Was by far the cheapest I could find, looks like they are heading up in price in a big way and these are surplus stock listed under the old price. Better get in there quick for anyone who wants one!

 

@MiniOneSam how did you manage to get another 10% off?

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On 14/02/2018 at 3:34 PM, Jameswsb said:

Ordered a flywheel. Was by far the cheapest I could find, looks like they are heading up in price in a big way and these are surplus stock listed under the old price. Better get in there quick for anyone who wants one!

 

@MiniOneSam how did you manage to get another 10% off?

It was just a weekend thing I think - 'insert this code for an additional discount' type of deal.

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Also while you there, would be worth checking/replacing the guibo on the driveshaft, the centre bearing, gearbox mounts, exhaust mountings and possibly change the gearbox/diff oils? Do it once, do it right.

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Why is there a need to change the flywheel when doing an M5 clutch, surely most of the wear is going to be in the centre plate, the pressure plate, and the release bearing.

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DMF replacement not always necessary. Get it inspected when the gearbox is out. But....and it's a big 'but'...

 

Problem is if you take the 'inspection' route above you're relying on the garage to source a DMF at short notice if your current DMF is deemed to be duff or past its best. The garage will want to complete the job as quickly as possible in order to free up workshop space. They won't appreciate waiting for you to do an internet search and wait three days (or more) for the DMF to arrive. If the garage supply the DMF themselves they'll get it tomorrow and their price will almost certainly be more than twice your best internet price. Better to plan on spending £300 on the DMF in advance of the work (even if your existing DMF is found to be OK) , rather than risk coughing up £800 at short notice.

 

Also, the DMF may well be fine when inspected....but for how long? Do you want to go back in there again in 10/20/30k miles with all the labour costs involved?

 

Ignore all of the above advice if you're doing the work yourself. Your time and workshop space (or your driveway?) is your own of course. 

 

Just my two cents...

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Edit for typo

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Your two cents worth is fine, I suppose I was just wondering what goes wrong with a DMF to require replacement, I think Vauxhalls had a bit of trouble with DMF's.

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On 28/02/2018 at 3:34 PM, vanhool said:

Your two cents worth is fine, I suppose I was just wondering what goes wrong with a DMF to require replacement, I think Vauxhalls had a bit of trouble with DMF's.

 

Usually they go when people keep driving with a knackered clutch until the point when the clutch is completely gone and you can't even put the car in gear. This results in excessive heat marks on the flywheel and the damage is pretty obvious after removing the clutch.

 

Of course, it can also be due to a high mileage on the vehicle or how hard it has been driven. Same as for the clutch, BMW should have a specific interval when the DMF should be replaced, but it would depend on a particular engine/gearbox.

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Amazon !

First flywheel ordered was damaged in transit and not delivered.

Replacement flywheel sheduled for delivery today with update this morning....'still trying to obtain the item'

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