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I have an '89 E34 535i Sport that has been in the family for a couple of decades and been off the road for half of that. Time has come to deal with it one way or another. For the life of me I can't decide what to do. To be honest I have a couple of cars to deal with and I have to be a bit ruthless. I would love to keep them all but it can't happen.

 

It has done 130K, still on metric wheels, clutch has gone, it has a flashing dashboard electrical niggle and it drains the battery. Outside the paint (zinober red) is faded and there is a bit of a crease down both drivers side doors otherwise body is sound not much rust and the engine did run well. Black leather interior is still OK. That was before it was parked in a corner 10 years ago so I would say that is the starting list now!

 

I think I have a few choices. (would start a poll but I would like to hear peoples thoughts)

 

To sell it. I could do that either as it is, make it drivable (bare minimum for MOT etc) or spend more time/money to get it decent. I don't think they are fetching the sort of money that would make it worth spending much on though and I can't really see that changing soon. Its a good car but it's not an E28. 

 

OR use it as a donor for another car I have ('83 E30) which will probably be the keeper. One option is to make a 335i out of the two (equivalent to an Alpina B6 or 333i) then break the rest of the car selling the shell and other parts. The E30 needs engine work anyway which is the best part of the 535

 

I would like to sit on it longer but I can realistically only keep one and I think the E30 wins on that front. Seems a shame to just break it or sell it as a non-runner but I don't see much option at the moment.

 

Thoughts? :wacko:

 

 

 

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Sell it whole.

 

The M30 is an old boat anchor really and there are much better engines to fit into an E30 such as the cheap and readily available 330i E46 unit.

 

A saveable red 535i Sport has a value, especially a manual like yours. Probably 1000-1500 quid if it's not fucked with rust and still has a cam that doesn't resemble a Toblerone.

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Thanks for all the replies!

 

27 minutes ago, cableguy said:

Manual or Auto? Manual will always fetch a good premium over the Auto cars.

Its a manual! (thought the "clutch has gone" bit might give it away :D)

 

25 minutes ago, Sir Anthony Regents-Park said:

The M30 is an old boat anchor really and there are much better engines to fit into an E30 such as the cheap and readily available 330i E46 unit.

I looked at other engines and to be honest they all need a lot of fabrication and a lot of parts-bin engineering. Even a 'stroker' M20 engine is harder to do these days now eta engines are scarce. The M30 is almost plug and play, it has been done by others including Alpina. I would not be looking for bleeding edge performance, just a bit more fun and to replace a very problematic M20. Plus I know that engine did run well.

 

33 minutes ago, Sir Anthony Regents-Park said:

A saveable red 535i Sport has a value, especially a manual like yours. Probably 1000-1500 quid if it's not fucked with rust and still has a cam that doesn't resemble a Toblerone.

This is my dilemma, to get another engine/gearbox along with all the other bits would probably be cost me a lot more. Plus it has the leather Mtec sports seats that I could put to use

 

10 minutes ago, duncan-uk said:

I'd at least take it for an MOT and see whats what.

To be honest to do that it is going to be money wasted if I either sell it as-is or break it. It will obviously need the clutch and most probably tyres, because it is on metrics that would mean wheels as well. I can see most things myself on the ramp anyway when I eventually retrieve it from where it is stored.

 

1 hour ago, paperjams said:

How much would you want for it as is? I’d love a project 

I've only just started to think about this, as above really, a reasonable price for it at the moment might not replace the parts. If I find a more viable option for the E30 it may put a different slant on it. I'm looking at all options I can

 

Which is probably why I cant make my mind up :wacko:

 

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If it has no sentimental value to you, then depending on how much work is required to put it right, making it roadworthy with a fresh MOT would probably be the best option, because you could then sell it for decent money.

 

As others said, using it as a donor for an E30 is not the best option, as there are better engines/gearboxes out here...

 

If you want to get rid off it as it is, then try putting it on eBay or in the "Cars" section of the forum and see what kind of interest you get. Simple.

 

 

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Some good pics and an honest advert would realise good money on ebay, however be prepared for lots of muppets asking stupid questions... It would also break for good money being a genuine Sport. ;)

 

Good luck in whatever your decision.

 

C.

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Well thanks for all the replies, to be honest I am still no further on so I'm going to deal with one of the other cars first to give me a bit more thinking time :rolleyes:

 

A lot will depend on what I do with the E30 and I have spent a lot of time looking at that now and no further on with that either. Yes the M50/52/54 from the e46 era is a better engine but the fit is far from straight forward. Parts are scarce to make stroker engines out of the M20 now. The M50B35 just seems an easy bolt on choice and I have a whole donor car. If it was a standard 535i I probably wouldn't hesitate but being a genuine Sport I don't want to do anything rash.

 

As soon as I get it out of storage I'll post some pics always better to see the machine I guess

 

One decision made though, just doing it to MOT will not happen, to do that I may as well keep the momentum going and bring it up to a reasonable standard, most of the spending would be to get it to MOT (tyres/clutch/electrics) to get it decent would not be that much more work. Final alternative is to sell it as is and that is still a possibility if I find a good solution for the E30.

 

I would still need to sort out the wheels and tyres. To keep it looking like a Sport (rather than an Alpina, M5 or an E39) would be important I think. Guess it would be type 5's or go with what metric tyres are available.

 

Anyone re-shod or replaced metrics recently?

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http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Classic-Bmw-Parts?_rdc=1

 

 Send me a shopping list and I will get you some prices.

 

 A set of 15inch BBs's, like fitted to this is 150 for the set plus post

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-Breaking-E34-525-tds-Manual-Cosmos-Metallic-/372179591516

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i'm sorry but parts are plentiful to stroke an M20. As you can use cranks from M52,M54,S50 etc and a whole host of rods depending on what capacity your after.  I'd not stick an M30 into a cooking e30.  Metric tyres are mega money still.   

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15 hours ago, Bumbaclut said:

Metric tyres are mega money still.

 

Coming to that conclusion about the tyres can't see it changing soon either. If it goes back on the road I will keep the metrics with the car for posterity as the 415s are pretty much mint but put it on something more usable.

 

On 1/21/2018 at 4:25 PM, Tims said:

A set of 15inch BBs's, like fitted to this is 150 for the set plus post

 

They were the ones I was looking at as the closest style to the metrics, however looking at pictures they look a bit small compared to the 415s coming off the car. It is a 3.5 so I guess it is allowed to be a little bit shouty :lol:

 

I was looking at some E38 8x16 type 5 but the 23 offset by all accounts rubs with any lowered suspension, which I guess would include the Sport. Maybe looking at a staggered set that are 'in keeping' although they may not exactly match the type 5

 

11 hours ago, Bumbaclut said:

i'm sorry but parts are plentiful to stroke an M20. As you can use cranks from M52,M54,S50 etc and a whole host of rods depending on what capacity your after.  I'd not stick an M30 into a cooking e30.

 

As far as the E30 goes, I get there are options but the 323i is Jetronic and it would need a full Motronic upgrade even if I went megasquirt. I would need to bore out the 2.3 to 84mm and find a 325 head to go the preferred 2.8 route that use those cranks. Then get the whole thing mapped. I ideally need a running 325 donor but they are getting thin for sensible money or it is trying pick up untested bits piece by piece and hope they work. It is actually quite reassuring doing all the work with a donor vehicle you know.

 

I drove the B6 3.5 in the 90s when my 323i was on the road and personally I thought it was pretty good. Better than the 323i even though that was on Koni's and 7x15s.

 

Finally, drawing a bit of a blank finding a clutch for the 535 none of the usual culprits go back that far. If I put it back on the road or break it as a donor it will need doing either way and I would want to do it right, clutch plate, pressure plate and bearing all with decent bits. Found a Sachs clutch kit on eBay HERE, which if it is genuine is a name I trust. Any other places I should look? That goes for other bits too, If it does go back on the road it will be likely be getting the works.

 

Once again thanks for the input and ideas, keeps me thinking :wacko:

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Well I am getting an unwavering consensus from those that know better than me that the cars should go back on the road and as close to original as possible.

 

A rust-free un-welded E30 is a bit of a rare beast these days especially one of the early chrome bumper six-pot ones. the last thing I need to do is hack it with an M30 or M50. This will be kept till last and get the full works.

 

The 535i Sport is not quite so good but not far off. Although it has been outside for a lot of it it has been on good draining hard standing and well ventilated. It has survived extremely well. I think it still has potential. Originally Sytner-supplied so it has some credentials I guess.

 

I think it could be brought back to to a very high standard but that is more time than I can put into it. I would like to see it back on the road and driving how it should so when the time comes (still not sure when that will be) I will work through it methodically.

 

Clutch I know, so a complete Sachs kit will go in, it is the only one I trust. Disks pads and brake hoses will get replaced anyway with ATE or Brembo. The N/S front shock absorber was replaced shortly before it was parked, although it gets more hammer than the O/S I guess the other side will need doing soon anyway. Oils, filters and belts go without saying along with anything else we find.

 

The question is what else to be done as a matter of course. I am thinking along the lines of suspension and steering. Bushes steering arms and ball joints, if you have the car in the air and in bits what gets replaced because it is stupid not to?

 

I want to start to collect bits so I have everything I need and a clear plan when I start.

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Front control arms lead to a lot of shudders and shimmys so worth replacing if you have the struts off anyway and rear subframe bushes (it's a e28 failing and pretty sure the e34 is similar)

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I  would replace all suspension links/arms as a matter of course .... So no chasing odd knocks or rattles ...

We used a mix of Lemforder/BMW parts on our 525 and those have lasted since 2010 ...

With Items like the front Idler arm I only use BMW as the Meyle item only last 12 months and about 6k on our old 540...

   

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