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Just watched Series 14 Ep.1 on Discovery - Ford Escort RS Cosworth and TBH; thoroughly enjoyed it!

 

I wasn't keen when we found out what had gone on between Edd and Mike and the bitchiness that Mike came out with; but wanted to give it a fair go

 

Great car and a great episode! Still not the grease monkey programme that WD used to be in it's early days, but still very enjoyable IMO

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I enjoyed it too - very entertaining, and a bit longer than usual too. Ant is great. Different to Edd, but a proper car guy, with a fair bit of knowledge. 

 

There are are some small Americanisms creeping in that I don’t like, but that’s the new format at work. 

 

There is is still very much a place for the old style Wheeler Dealer type programme still - maybe something Edd and another mechanic might consider doing - where they don’t cover the buying and selling element so much. Perhaps selling the car online after the show is first aired?

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Cant stand Ant .. he is just too much .. his facial expressions, his scripted answers and one liners and just his manner .. not a patch on Ed IMO

 

I cant believe the money Escort Cosworths hold .. they were never that exciting a car i dont think and it looked  horrendous with its 3rd Max power spoiler ( Wingo from Cars came to mind ) ..i dont care how much downforce it gave it

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You complete arse! 

I'm away enjoying myself immensely and you go and post shit about gobshite an new loser....

I fucking HATE WD with a passion! Mostly because mike brewer is a gob shite! But mainly because mike brewer is a gob shite! 

:lol: 

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1 minute ago, The Flying Banana said:

Cant stand Ant .. he is just too much ..

 

I cant believe the money Escort Cosworths hold .. they were never that exciting a car

 

Its his first episode, taking over from a very popular and well established personality. He’ll find his own vibe. 

 

I loved the Sapphire Cosworth. Escort was never my thing. I was surprised they did the third wing too TBH. 

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 I've never really been a fan of Mike and his 'cockney geezer', ''old yer 'and aht' rubbish, I've always watched it for Edd so was interested to see how it would play out with Ant (who certainly knows his stuff!) and to be fair, I enjoyed it. As said, it still needs to be back in Britain with more workshop action bit it was ok. I agree with the comments on that wing, I mean, three spoilers? On an Escort??:wacko:

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I like WD's, Mike and Ed make it an entertaining car programme, I don't know what the latest version will be like as we don't have the ''Discovery'' channel, but much better than the Three Stooges on Top Gear.

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Sadly, I thought it was a dull episode (rear wing was a dubious edition, wheels were a dubious update and the fixes were not that interesting) on a classic fast Ford. Having the seller come back to buy the car back - yeah right - made it one of the more pointless episodes. 53 hours of labour - rofl that's an awful lot of time on a a bit of fibre glass.

 

Ant was OK, not too different to Ed in information/style.

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On 1/2/2018 at 3:45 PM, Yokozuna said:

I fucking HATE WD with a passion! Mostly because mike brewer is a gob shite! But mainly because mike brewer is a gob shite! 

:lol: 

 

On 1/2/2018 at 5:15 PM, NWJW said:

 I've never really been a fan of Mike and his 'cockney geezer', ''old yer 'and aht' rubbish, 

 

This! I really can't stand the guy. Means I don't watch WD much.

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Yeah, Mike Brewer comes across as a cock and was a little bitch on Edds leaving, but I watch it for the car and mechanical work. I just fast forward passed the little fat fecks gobshiteing ;)

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11 hours ago, duncan-uk said:

Did the escort cosworth not have the yb like the sierra? 

 

Yes it is the same as the Sierra

 

11 hours ago, duncan-uk said:

Valve cover looked wrong on that. 

 

If you asked* about 10 years ago I would have known instantly the answer.  I need to rewatch the episode but if it is just the color than they all came in different colors (oops I meant colour lol).  IIRC Red = 4 star, Blue and green = unleaded, Black = could be Escort Cosworth?

Edited by nealpina
Typo asked*

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Didn’t think I would enjoy Ant doing Ed’s job but not too different. 

 

Noticed they didn’t say that the Escort Cosworth top end speed is less without a rear spoiler, one fact I never knew was the tipple/middle wing on spoiler – I think it looks rather cool.  I wonder how long copies of the middle wing will be available to buy, and every Escort Cossie will have one.

 

As soon as I spotted the perfect paintwork and the reason for the sale, I said to myself it is another one who buys it back at the end; and the buying and selling will be staged so they can make a show out of it - nothing wrong with that because it is about time they had a Escort Cosworth and I generally enjoy them doing engine work 

 

Therefore enjoyed the wind tunnel, the turbo work, and how the engine and gearbox was removed from the chassis. 

 

My Sapphire 2000E and Sapphire Cosworth both had rally Oz wheels

Edited by nealpina

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7 hours ago, nealpina said:

 

Yes it is the same as the Sierra

 

 

If you about 10 years ago I would have known instantly the answer.  I need to rewatch the episode but if it is just the color than they all came in different colors (oops I meant colour lol).  IIRC Red = 4 star, Blue and green = unleaded, Black = could be Escort Cosworth?

It wasn't the usual cast head. Had a black cover hiding the head and plugs. Wondering if like the e36 m3 it's a different lump. 

 

Ant called it a Y engine I thought?

 

Also is it really necessary to drop the engine and box to swap a turbo and change a sump gasket? Seems overkill. 

 

Final conment is any describedbit as "being a later escort it had 4wd" bit of fluff me thinks but generally worth a watch. 

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I was a little disappointed to be honest. Ant seems to know his stuff which is good but I also think the wing addition was a bit naff tbh.

Never really been a fan of Mike and I watched it for Edd's fixes but as the show has progressively dumbed down the tech bit it has become less and less appealing and seems to still be heading in that direction.

 

@duncan-uk 

 

I kind of agree. The first thing that annoyed me was when he couldn't work out if it was gearbox or engine oil. We all know if you smell and it smells like bigfoot's d1ck it's gearbox oil:lol: I sort of saw his point as he thought it would be rear main which would have been easier out of the car but he should have pulled the pan and checked that first. :rolleyes:

 

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2 hours ago, duncan-uk said:

It wasn't the usual cast head. Had a black cover hiding the head and plugs. Wondering if like the e36 m3 it's a different lump. 

 

Ant called it a Y engine I thought?

 

Also is it really necessary to drop the engine and box to swap a turbo and change a sump gasket? Seems overkill. 

 

Final conment is any describedbit as "being a later escort it had 4wd" bit of fluff me thinks but generally worth a watch. 

I've not seen the episode but the last of the escort cosworths were small turbo which had coilpacks and Ford's engine management system as opposed to the Weber system.

I think the engine is called the YBJ variant of the YB range which I know the rocker covers aren't interchangeable with earlier engines 

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It was a later car i think but google suggests that one variant does indeed have a cover giving the head a very different look to the "classic" cossie lump.

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I believe it was to do with emmisions at the time thats why Ford installed their own management and smaller turbo to make it more driveable also but think you can only go to 305bhp from various tuners unlike the Weber system like on my car

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That sounds right from my reading at the time - big turbos first for homogolation purposes and small turbo thereafter once the requisite number had been built. Same as the RS500 sierra - not actually a better road car but a better base for a racing car.

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IIRC (10 years ago I would not even question myself regarding this aaeegghhh).

 

The larger turbo (the T25 edit see below post typo T35 turbo) was a special edition - offhand cannot remember the name.  Also people found the car to be harder to drive on the road as it didn’t drive like a road car because of the instant boost at the top end. 

 

The smaller turbo (cannot remember the name) was the main production car and was called the YBP engine. 

 

My thoughts of the triple spoiler is that it does serve a performace function (albeit in a straight line) and not just a cosmetic item. 

Edited by nealpina
T35 name may have been the correct turbo

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3 minutes ago, nealpina said:

The larger turbo (the T25 turbo) was a special edition - offhand cannot remember the name.  Also people found the car to be harder to drive on the road as it didn’t drive like a road car because of the instant boost at the top end. 

 

Monte Carlo?

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According to wikipedia (and my recollection it was the other way) big turbo first.

 

"Two versions were produced. The initial 2,500 units were "homologation specials" used to get the FIA accreditation in group A and were fitted with an oversized Garrett T3/T04B Hybrid turbo and air/water intercooler (this turbocharger is a hybrid consisting of a Garrett T04B compressor wheel combined with a Garrett T3 turbine and is also known as T35). This is the same device as the one fitted to the legendary Ford RS200 GroupB. These units displayed significant turbo lag due to the huge inertia introduced by the T35 unit and the detuned nature of their competition derived engine until 3500rpm. From 3.500rpm and above when turbo wakes up Escort Rs Cosworth reminds Group B car with the savage entry of the turbo.....

 

....The initial cars included features that, although they made the Cosworth a more effective car, did not enhance it as a road vehicle, and once the rules were satisfied Ford attempted to make the car less temperamental and easier to drive under normal conditions. The second generation, starting production from late 1994, was fitted with a Garrett T25 turbocharger, a smaller unit which reduced turbo lag and increased usability in everyday driving situations. With these later models, the 'whale tail' spoiler became a delete option."

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That sound right, a friend of mine had a L reg big turbo in ash black around 10 years ago. Was a bit laggy but when it came on boost it was savage, running 340 bhp at the time

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