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12 minutes ago, Smigger530d said:

Hi, can anyone confirm if the towbar on the saloons and touring are the same (2011)?

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They are are the same. I fitted the Westfalia one to my F11 with the specific wiring kit and it would fit the F10 too. 

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They are are the same. I fitted the Westfalia one to my F11 with the specific wiring kit and it would fit the F10 too. 

Thanks that's great, friend has a Westfalia he's taking off his 2011 Saloon and I have a 2011 touring! Any issues with M Sport Model?

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44 minutes ago, Smigger530d said:

Thanks that's great, friend has a Westfalia he's taking off his 2011 Saloon and I have a 2011 touring! Any issues with M Sport Model?

Mine is an SE but the fitment to the MSport is just the same. Are you getting the dedicated electrics? Those are a must. You can download the installation instructions for towbar and electrics from PFjones website. 

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Mine is an SE but the fitment to the MSport is just the same. Are you getting the dedicated electrics? Those are a must. You can download the installation instructions for towbar and electrics from PFjones website. 

That's a fantastic site, thanks! Not sure what he's currently got but will find out!

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I fitted the same towbar as Matthew did to my dad's F10 MSport with no issues. Bit of cutting required to the various bumper trim panels and to the bumper itself but these are invisible unless underneath the car.

 

I will post up some pics, previous thread had photobucket pics.

 

 but yes make sure you get the dedicated electrics, it makes life easier.

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Pics of the install on my dads F10 530d.

 

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Back end stripped down.  We had to remove the light clusters to get to the bumper retaining bolts. The towbar provides support to the exhaust!

 

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The bits we removed to fit the towbar.

 

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Trimmed bits of bumper trim to allow the socket to swing down

 

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and swing back up.

 

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Before bumper goes back on.  That's the reversing sensors loom lying on the ground, we had to unplug the loom from each sensor, unlike when I fitted the towbar to my E60 where the whole loom unplugged just outside of the rear wing, much easier!

 

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Shape we had to cut out in the trim panel between the bumper lower edge and the boot floor.  

 

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Shape we had to cut out of the lowest horizontal edge of the bumper lip to get the socket to clear the bumper when swinging it down.

 

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Invisible when viewed when reassembled.

 

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Down on your hands and knees to see whats there.  You can see the bits we had to cut, I used a Dremel type tool for the bumper cut to get a neat finish but its hidden anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Retset said:

Looking at all this, I'm now glad that mine came with the removable towbar! I must find something to tow one day ..

 

 I've been helping my dad fit towbars to car for years, from Mk 4 Cortinas, Escorts, a Cavalier and an Astra, two Carltons, countless Mondeos, the F10 was quite easy, the actual towbar metal work was the simplest I've fitted, no drilling holes in the chassis nor then having to thread in tube spacers into chassis rails like the Mondeos and a neighbours Polo recently.

 

Connecting the twisted pair for the Westfalia module to the main ecu was a bit daunting as if I messed that up a new ecu wouldn't have been cheap! It was the first module wiring kit I fitted that connected into a canbus system, others were just taking signals from the rear light clusters to effectively a relay in the boot.

 

But if you can't be bothered with all that, for £800 (new build option) there is the fantastic 3AC Swivelling towbar that I have on my F10.

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Pics of the install on my dads F10 530d.

 

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Back end stripped down.  We had to remove the light clusters to get to the bumper retaining bolts. The towbar provides support to the exhaust!

 

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The bits we removed to fit the towbar.

 

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Trimmed bits of bumper trim to allow the socket to swing down

 

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and swing back up.

 

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Before bumper goes back on.  That's the reversing sensors loom lying on the ground, we had to unplug the loom from each sensor, unlike when I fitted the towbar to my E60 where the whole loom unplugged just outside of the rear wing, much easier!

 

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Shape we had to cut out in the trim panel between the bumper lower edge and the boot floor.  

 

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Shape we had to cut out of the lowest horizontal edge of the bumper lip to get the socket to clear the bumper when swinging it down.

 

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Invisible when viewed when reassembled.

 

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Down on your hands and knees to see whats there.  You can see the bits we had to cut, I used a Dremel type tool for the bumper cut to get a neat finish but its hidden anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a cracking write up much appreciated! Just found out he doesn't have dedicated electric kit but he didn't have any problems. I'm not towing much just a small trailer occasionally and car well out of warranty? Either that or where can I get a sensibly priced dedicated kit?

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You can get Westfalia kits on eBay (they are OEM so can't go wrong) or a number if other suppliers. Google is your friend. Can you not strip it what wiring your mate has?

 

Whatever kit you get it must be a canbus kit, I.e. a module that talks or rather listens to the commands given by you to operate the lights on the towed item.

 

Using blue scotch lock connectors to piggy back on the cars light loom to the trailer socket will not work as there will be insufficient power to operate trailer lights and will cause no end of upset with the cars bulb failure warning system.

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You can get Westfalia kits on eBay (they are OEM so can't go wrong) or a number if other suppliers. Google is your friend. Can you not strip it what wiring your mate has?

 

Whatever kit you get it must be a canbus kit, I.e. a module that talks or rather listens to the commands given by you to operate the lights on the towed item.

 

Using blue scotch lock connectors to piggy back on the cars light loom to the trailer socket will not work as there will be insufficient power to operate trailer lights and will cause no end of upset with the cars bulb failure warning system.

Friends kit is good, well worked perfectly on his just not a dedicated plug and play one!

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39 minutes ago, Smigger530d said:

Friends kit is good, well worked perfectly on his just not a dedicated plug and play one!

 

Nowt wrong with that, if you know it works and you get it at proper mates rates then should be ok. If it doesn't work, go for the Westfalia one, but it's worth a punt if you know it works.

 

Just be careful on extracting it from his cars wiring loom it should be wired into a big module/control unit in the drivers footwell. See the Westfalia website for electrical installation instructions. That will give you an idea how to remove it and if course reinstall. 

 

Removal is reversal of fitting as they say, except you swear in different places.:P

 

My write up above didn't include the electrical instal as I didn't take pics.

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Nowt wrong with that, if you know it works and you get it at proper mates rates then should be ok. If it doesn't work, go for the Westfalia one, but it's worth a punt if you know it works.

 

Just be careful on extracting it from his cars wiring loom it should be wired into a big module/control unit in the drivers footwell. See the Westfalia website for electrical installation instructions. That will give you an idea how to remove it and if course reinstall. 

 

Removal is reversal of fitting as they say, except you swear in different places.

 

My write up above didn't include the electrical instal as I didn't take pics.

It's all out already, apparently he had a pro remove it last year! He's doing me the lot with westfalia detachable for the mates rate of £90 and a few pints no doubt! Any ideas on getting the whole lot fitted?

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That's a Westfalia removeable towbar, one of the best you can buy. You've got the instructions too, they are pretty easy to follow plus my pics from earlier and you should be good.

 

£90 is a good buy, well done, it doesn't look like it has seen much use.

 

Get me a close up photo or two on the electric/module box and I may be able to help you more on that front. That looks like a 7 pin socket which is fine for a trailer or bike rack provided you aren't bothered about reverse lights on whatever you hitch up.

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That's a Westfalia removeable towbar, one of the best you can buy. You've got the instructions too, they are pretty easy to follow plus my pics from earlier and you should be good.

 

£90 is a good buy, well done, it doesn't look like it has seen much use.

 

Get me a close up photo or two on the electric/module box and I may be able to help you more on that front. That looks like a 7 pin socket which is fine for a trailer or bike rack provided you aren't bothered about reverse lights on whatever you hitch up.

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Hmm what I'm looking for is the indication that there are two small wires into that Ryder box, these are the connections into the can-bus, but I don't see them on that box.

 

or..

 

The wires going into that box may go to each light bulb on the car and the green screw terminal connections are where you connect the trailer socket wire too.

 

But I'm not convinced that that sort of connection will work on an F10.

 

It was defo and F10 or F11 your mate had it fitted too?

 

I am currently in the school of thought that the F10 needs a canbus system to power the trailer lights rather than a simple relay system like what's shown in your photo but I'm hoping I can be proved wrong.

 

The Ryder towing website is very good, get yourself on there and search for that reference number on the top left corner of the module. You may even get the instructions from their website on how to fit it or if you drop them an email on their technical help desk they will respond very quickly. They have given me advice recently and very promptly too.

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That wiring is one that taps into the wires that go to the different lights rather than integrating into the car's canbus network and I assume there are electronics in that box to fool the car's systems into ignoring voltage differences that would otherwise cause faults on the car's lighting systems. 

I would still rather have dedicated electrics fully integrated and a 13pin socket just incase you decided to tow something more substantial in the future. 

 

For installation Andrew shows the lights being removed, this is not necessary on the F11, just a trim piece removal to get at the 2 bolts holding the top of the bumper on. 

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12 hours ago, Smigger530d said:

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Bin this and don't use it. Its just a mikey mouse bypass relay (they are about £20). Get the dedicated Westfalia electrics kit it integrates with the car turning off parking sensors, changes the shifting of the gearbox to towing mode and also tells the car a trailer is attached so the stability control is adjusted.

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4 hours ago, dandle said:

 

Bin this and don't use it. Its just a mikey mouse bypass relay (they are about £20). Get the dedicated Westfalia electrics kit it integrates with the car turning off parking sensors, changes the shifting of the gearbox to towing mode and also tells the car a trailer is attached so the stability control is adjusted.

 

Agree with nearly everything but for the gearbox being in "towing mode". I've not noticed any difference at all from the drivetrain. It also disables the rear PDC automatically when something is attached to the towbar socket. OP, even if you don't use the towbar initially, knowing it is fully integrated into the car's systems is comforting.

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Bin this and don't use it. Its just a mikey mouse bypass relay (they are about £20). Get the dedicated Westfalia electrics kit it integrates with the car turning off parking sensors, changes the shifting of the gearbox to towing mode and also tells the car a trailer is attached so the stability control is adjusted.

For the price I've got the towbar it would be skimping not to buy the dedicated wiring, JP have the kit for £130

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