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After selling my e39 M5 a few years ago, I flew to Germany to look at an e34 M5 Touring that was not as good as described and they were difficult over the price so I flew home empty handed. Fast forward a few weeks and I managed to pick up an e61 M5 with 55k on the clock, BMW AUC warranty and with some good options and good condition.

 

I bought the car sight-unseen and my only feedback was a good friend who had been and had a quick look over it. The first time I saw it was when I paid for it and drove it home.

 

Good car, takes a bit of getting used to with the SMG and I have had the clutch and flywheel replaced under the AUC warranty which I have now renewed for peace of mind. The car comes with all receipts for all work ever done and has had brakes all round, tyres, and service with spark plugs and microfilters carried out so just an oil service being done next week as due. Have had the car detailed and the interior done twice as it was filthy when I picked it up and then went on a family holiday in it in February so needed doing again. Paint work is in very nice condition and there is a receipt for previous detailing and wheel refurbishment in the folder with the car.

 

Got a trip booked to the Ring in this on 8th July so should be good fun!

 

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Wow a blast from the past.... :)

 

Sweet looking car - IMHO the touring is a beauty to look at.

 

Any more plans on things to change on the car? 

 

 

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To be honest I am trying to keep it standard. I have bought this as an investment car due to low production numbers etc...and the best way to increase value is to keep them standard in my opinion.

 

I keep looking at exhausts for it at the moment though....

 

I have a Caterham that I race which sees the brunt of modification so generally leave road cars alone now. Also have two kids so can't have a silly loud exhaust again...

 

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Stunning!

 

If you're going to get a Touring; this, IMO, is how it should be done :mrgreen: 

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I agree :-)

 

I love the e34 M5 Touring and still want to add one some day.

 

The one I saw had been off the road for 8 years which was not a problem, but the service history was missing the first 90,000km and the prevous owner had fiddled with a lot of things and a lot were irreversible and parts not available anymore so walked away.

 

Luckily I took a friend with me otherwise I would have bought the e34 straight away as it looked great to start with until we got it outside and looked very closely indeed. Drove nicely though. The car dealer was an old supermarket that had about £3m worth of American classic cars inside and an American Diner in the back for returning customers to hang out. Great place, just wrong car.

 

The e61 is far more modern and refined, but the e34 M5 Touring will be purchased one day.

 

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Yours looks good

 

Have only ever seen one other in real life so a bit of a rarity which is nice!

 

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Only 222 RHD models and I think only 195 came to the UK. 

 

There's one near me in Knutsford but that's it for sightings. Saw one in St Tropez last month. 

 

Mine is 216/222 so it's a late one, November 2008. 

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Hi Alex!

 

Welcome back to the forum! You've had a little Hiatus !

 

Congratulations on the new purchase and welcome to the Touring club ;) A significant number of E34 M5 Touring's were taken out of Germany by US military personnel over the years, federalized and now run around in the US as they didn't get that variant officially. They were taken over perhaps just prior to when age related aspects like rust could be more easily treated and then found homes in the drier/hotter US states. I think finding a 'good' solid E34 will become more difficult here in the UK and the best chance of finding a good European example might be in Spain, Italy. Next best option would be finding the best you can anywhere and then giving it a thorough look over and treat any rust/corrosion etc properly/comprehensively. I almost purchased an E34 M5 in late 1999 but stayed sensible and got a late 1995 E34 525i Sport instead. I've recently got bit of a bug to get another E34, but won't have to be an M5, although I'd like one if a nice one came along!

 

The E61 M5, definitely an awesome purchase for what the car is! I've often thought of getting one too, but for me currently, the running costs for the level I'd like to keep the car at put me off and also, the modifications I'd want are also a big factor too! Also, I'd want one of the 6 or so UK cars in Alpine White! 

 

Will the car appreciate in value?, yes/no/possibly/likely/unlikely ! same again for actual selling prices in the future too.  I'm sure you've perhaps taken a look at the Pistonheads forum and the various E60/1 M5 posts, do check out some of the exhaust discussions and potentially look for the switchable options :)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Thanks Dennis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It will ultimately be cheaper to get an e34 M5 Touring in the U.K. than abroad. I took a chance with the one in Germany. It had all new SLS and EDC and was like new underneath but was too much money for what he car was and missing service history. I offered £10k less than the asking price as that is what it is worth when comparing it to others with better spec and history.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Decent ones with low mileage are changing hands for 50,000 Euros and smelly ones with engine knocks and blowing exhausts with 200,000 miles and no history are selling for 20,000 Euros in Europe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One day I'm sure :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dennis, you also missed an white e61 M5 being sold as an AUC car last summer

 

 

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Hi Alex,

 

I'm sure a decent E34 will turn up for you, but some of the asking prices for all cars recently have gone to 'ludicrous' levels - look at this E46 M3 for instance - http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C858713

 

There's plenty more examples all over the usual car buying sites and various higher end dealers etc, as to their actual selling prices, I suspect many of them are 'significantly' lower !

 

I do remember seeing that AW E61 M5 last year/summer, the funds are elsewhere - yet more building and extension work on the family home and another particular investment, so couldn't think about purchasing it! 

 

Don't let the car sit around for years and years, as you've seen RichardP's M1, drive the car and enjoy it - my personal take is that over the next 2/5/7/10/15+ years, very very few interesting/M cars (Merc AMG's, Audi RS's and other 'hot' versions of normal prestige cars, will appreciate quote to the levels many are currently hoping for. Once you factor in yearly mandatory costs the potential profit might be small/tiny or, might well be an overall loss over the timeframe. There's now more big influences for the automotive industry and the economy that'll most likely have asking prices go down!  I could be totally wrong though, if the UK secures some lucrative free trade deals over the next couple years :)

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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AMG's are already on the move price wise. My SL55 has almost doubled in value since 2016.

 

Doubtful M cars and AMG will see the increases of Porsche etc...Would be nice though:-)

 

 

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I got a set of Hartge Nova 7's from a mate. Had a trial fit at work yesterday to see if I need spacers etc... which I will do for the rear and possibly some spigot rings as well. Quite like them so will give them a go. May change the colour of the centres in the future.

 

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Any wheel gurus able to help? The rears of the Hartge's are 10J ET28, the M5 wheels are 9J ET17 - anyone able to say what size spacer I would need to get these to fit? They clear the brakes fine but will touch the inner wheel arch. These wheels came from an e61 535d and some 3mm shims were used to get round that but not sure that will be enough clearance on the back when looking at them.

 

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Hi Zarnd,

 

I 'think' the rear arches on an E61 M5 are a little bit wider than the non M ones, so you'll perhaps need to try some more spacers 5/7/10mm ones to test the fitment. Saying that, is the car lowered, or will it be lowered in the future? If it's already lowered, then do try with those wider spacers. If not, then depending on how low you wish to run - subtle is my guess at perhaps 20-30mm max, then you might want to try again with some spacers until you get the desired look you want. 

 

For the rear, I think you'd be looking at offsets on a 10 inch wide wheel of between ET15 and ET23. As the Nova 7 rears are ET28, then you could go with 5mm to 13mm ones. 

 

For the front, assuming the Nova 7's are a ET15, then you'd want the offset to be around ET2, so a 13mm spacer would sort that. 

 

I'm looking at the AC Schnitzer E61 M5 wheel upgrades options here - http://www.bmwheaven.com/index.php/articles-and-reviews-mainmenu-3/tuning-news/131-226?start=1

 

Keep in mind about how much you will lower along with the shape of the tyre sidewalls too as some tyres are 'rounder' than others. If you aren't lowering at all, then it's less of an issue. 

 

I've missed out on a few sets of Nova 7's in the past, they're quite rare within the Hartge wheel range. I 'might' still get a set in the future but they're a little lower down on my list of wheel sets I want to add to my collection. Would be good to see what they do look like on your car once done. I do have a set of Classic's in 20 inch and I 'think' they're the B design. Most E60's with Hartge's came with the 'Classic 2' option where the wheel spokes came out to the rim of the wheel i.e no lip. The 'B' design (assuming that is the exact correct designation) are like the Nova 5/7 and have that 2 inch lip. The set I have need a refurbishment;

 

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9x20 ET18 and 10x20 ET22 for this set. 13mm spacer on the front and you could get away with no spacers on the rears. 

 

For the refurbishment option, it's a little more involved to have these types of wheels done given they're a one piece design but look like a 3 piece one. I've previously had my one of my Nova 5 sets refinished with a hand polished lip and painted centre (in my sig pic) but it's very hard to find a specialist willing to hand polish 'lips' only. I'm currently looking at some options with specialists and a choice is indeed to also paint or powdercoat the centres. Keep in mind that the bolts are removeable and made of Titanium so don't lose any ! 

 

Hoping to get some more information about refinishing these, so in due course, drop me a PM if you wish so I can update you. Of course, a 'normal' strip and prep then a full powdercoat over the whole wheel is easy peasy to do!

 

Cheers, Dennis!

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Hi Dennis,

 

The fronts are 9x20 ET18 and the rears are 10x20 ET28. MY friend previously ran it with 3mm spacers on the rear and the fronts cleared, just and they are the same on mine.

 

It also looks like I need some spigot bearings as well which I will sort out at the same time.

 

cheers

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So, I completely caved in and ordered a Hayward and Scott exhaust. After all I said, but just could not resist. This and the wheels and nothing else will be changed!

 

I went to see the in laws in the Czech Republic and saw an Alpine White e61 M5 in the next town over from my in laws and saw a black German registered one on the autobahn on the way home which looked good.

 

Only a 3-4 week wait for the H&S exhaust. When the oem exhaust is removed, H&S will modify my original back boxes with fittings so that they can be refitted to the car without having to sleeve them etc...so a nice bolt-on operation in the future if required.

 

cheers

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19 hours ago, zarnd said:

So, I completely caved in and ordered a Hayward and Scott exhaust. After all I said, but just could not resist. This and the wheels and nothing else will be changed!

 

I went to see the in laws in the Czech Republic and saw an Alpine White e61 M5 in the next town over from my in laws and saw a black German registered one on the autobahn on the way home which looked good.

 

Only a 3-4 week wait for the H&S exhaust. When the oem exhaust is removed, H&S will modify my original back boxes with fittings so that they can be refitted to the car without having to sleeve them etc...so a nice bolt-on operation in the future if required.

 

cheers

 

ROFL ... :)

It's a long and slippery road... and you know it... ;)

 

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I know. To be honest there isn't anything else I would change about the car. Well, a bigger fuel tank would be great!

 

 

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