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General Election 8th June

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Some good news George Osborne is stepping down as a MP

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Mindful of May's refusal to take part in televised debates (apparently Dennis Skinner went at her like a Jack Russell with a rat at PMQs today over the investigation of MPs) I found this amusing:

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/media/may-rules-out-tv-debate-because-her-voters-only-like-the-wireless-20170419126280

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23 minutes ago, e60neindanke said:

Mindful of May's refusal to take part in televised debates (apparently Dennis Skinner went at her like a Jack Russell with a rat at PMQs today over the investigation of MPs) I found this amusing:

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/media/may-rules-out-tv-debate-because-her-voters-only-like-the-wireless-20170419126280

 

I also like the question from the Conservative MP regarding redistribution of school funds 

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20 minutes ago, nealpina said:

 

I also like the question from the Conservative MP regarding redistribution of school funds 

 

All these twunts want is more grammar schools.

 

For me the most depressing part of this campaign is that Labour will try and campaign on actual issues, but the Tories will simply spend all the time pointing at Corbyn and slagging him off with the full backing of Dacre and Gallagher.

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May is asking you to pay for a new car. You think it is an M5 but under the dust sheet is a Trabant. When you voice your disappointment she will remind you that you voted for it

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Politics is all about tactics as you know. One party's change of direction is viewed by them as being 'flexible' or 'listening to the electorate'. Their oppos see such a move as lies and deceit. Just the normal tit for tat really.

I've voted Labour in the past, but really, can anyone imagine Corbyn doing any better given the challenges facing the country? Every time there's a change of political party there's an immense amount of government time and public money wasted in overturning the work of the outgoing bunch simply for party political reasons.

Labour will get its chance but at the moment they seem like a supermarket that has spent too long trying to flog goods nobody wants.

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The Conservatives dropped us in this. Cameron never dreamed the vote would go the other way so had no plan B. May has done nothing except change her mind from being against to pro Brexit. Same thing with an Election. Chapters from her coming book are titled 'How it wasn't all my fault' and 'They got what they asked for' . Notably missing is 'The lady's not for turning'

 

Labour is not electable as nobody believes Corbyn. And they have jumped on the Brexit bandwagon so are no help anyway

 

The only way out of this mess is to give them the fright of their lives and elect the Lib Dems. Their stated policy is to remain so at least they cannot be accused of hypocrisy. Wind them up, give them a shopping list of demands and point them at the EU.

Job done.     

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For all the skeptics with why May is calling the General Election: 

 

Antonio Tajani (The European Parliament president) has said the UK election good news for EU; and that the June election would make negotiating Brexit easier.

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Iv always been a labour voter but this time around I can't allow myself to vote Corbyn. I just don't think he has what it takes and his backroom staff are no better. I fear for the NHS under the Tory government and believe labour would look after it better but I just don't know.

 

I dont actually mind Theresa May but I couldn't bring myself to vote Tory...

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4 hours ago, Fezzy16v said:

Iv always been a labour voter but this time around I can't allow myself to vote Corbyn. I just don't think he has what it takes and his backroom staff are no better. I fear for the NHS under the Tory government and believe labour would look after it better but I just don't know.

 

I dont actually mind Theresa May but I couldn't bring myself to vote Tory...

 

Vote tactically? That's what I shall be doing.

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4 hours ago, Fezzy16v said:

I fear for the NHS under the Tory government and believe labour would look after it better but I just don't know.

 

However I feared for it when labour privatised it, and threw money at it which meant it had far too many middle management.

 

I still fear for the NHS more money is being spent on it, hasn't changed, and seems to be getting worse.

 

However my point is Labour privatised the NHS

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10 hours ago, nealpina said:

 

However I feared for it when labour privatised it, and threw money at it which meant it had far too many middle management.

 

I still fear for the NHS more money is being spent on it, hasn't changed, and seems to be getting worse.

 

However my point is Labour privatised the NHS

As I have said on here before, whilst not actually working for the NHS I do a lot of work WITH the NHS and even as an outsider I can see the profligate waste is staggering!

 

The problem does indeed lie with the huge levels of middle management always wanting a say in things. In one particular Trust they found over £250,000 of out of date stores they didn't even know they had due to poor accounting and stock rotation, in another I sold them £80k of laptops a few years back, when I contacted them a year later to renew the maintenance and support agreement I was told they were still boxed in the store cupboard as the 'committee' hadn't decided who to distribute them to. In yet another a ward sister had £18,000 of specialist drugs cabinets still wrapped up in an unused side ward 2 years after delivery because the Estates Department couldn't schedule the time to fit them. These figures are a drop in the ocean when it comes to NHS running costs, but when they can only afford £1.56 per person per day to feed sick patients it all adds up.

 

I will happily vote for any party that guarantees they will sort out that unholy mess!

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The NHS is destroying itself with layer upon layer of needless middle management introduced and implanted through the late 90's and all the noughties. Career NHS managers have become as unsavoury as career Politicians.

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That's the sad thing: these layers of management arise because someone has decreed that there are wasteful processes occurring, so we need more managers to keep an eye on it: or worse still some twerp says "we need to bring in business thinking and internal markets".

 

Internal markets are an absolute disaster for any public body. Been there, done that.:(

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13 hours ago, e60neindanke said:

 

Vote tactically? That's what I shall be doing.

 

Hopefully every person in Scotland will do that!

 

My wife who is a GP will certainly not be voting Tory due to the Jeremy Hunt effect.

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57 minutes ago, 535iAR said:

 

Hopefully every person in Scotland will do that!

 

My wife who is a GP will certainly not be voting Tory due to the Jeremy Hunt effect.

 

"Jeremy Hunt: politician or rhyming slang?"

 

(with apologies to the assemblage of the comedy series Who Dares Wins.)

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34 minutes ago, e60neindanke said:

 

"Jeremy Hunt: politician or rhyming slang?"

 

 

Both!

 

James Hunt has now been dropped in rhyming slang for Jeremy Hunt.

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I've heard loads of complaints about the deterioration of the NHS but only recently have I experienced it first hand. I had an MRI scan in early November, and a letter from the consultant a couple of weeks later to say he would arrange an appointment to review things. So, into December, nothing....then the Christmas effect...then into January. Give 'em a call - 'Ah, our new booking system has just kicked in and you've fallen down the gap. We'll send you an appointment'.

February...'Hmmm...not sure what happened there - we'll get you in at our next clinic.

March...enquire again...profuse apologies from surgeon's secretary, copies me into email dialog with Bookings System Manager - first he's heard of me, but will get me into clinic on April 20th and confirm in writing.

Easter - still no confirmation, phone surgeon's sec on Tuesday - straight to voicemail, won't be in until Wednesday.

Ring Booking Service. Three numbers, all solidly engaged for an hour.

Phone sec again to leave message as finally had enough and will be making a formal complaint. She phones back later, in the office on her own answering 3 phones as she's sec to 5 consultants.

But...I did get to an appt yesterday, almost 5 months to the day after the scan. I suspect this experience isn't too unusual.

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It is the worst it's ever been in the 25 years I've been working for the NHS. We cannot even operate on cancer patients now due to lack of beds. Despite having up to 30 patients on trolleys in A&E needing admission we no longer call a major incident. This is, I suspect due to pressure from the DOH not to do so. Their line is that it's just one or two trusts that are experiencing problems. It is not. Everyone I speak to across the country is saying the same thing. 

 

There is waste within the NHS, no doubt about it but that doesn't mean it's not hugely underfunded. If you look at what similar countries spend per capita on healthcare you can see we are miles behind. 

 

The conservatives will will not spend any more money on healthcare. They deny there is a problem. I can tell you first hand that there is. I can not vote for them because of this whatever else their policies are. 

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6 hours ago, 535iAR said:

 

Both!

 

James Hunt has now been dropped in rhyming slang for Jeremy Hunt.

 

Of course, the original is 'Berkeley Hunt' - calling someone a 'berk' is far stronger than you think :D

 

Never mind the infamous fsck-up by James Naughtie...

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2 hours ago, kobayashi said:

The conservatives will will not spend any more money on healthcare. They deny there is a problem. I can tell you first hand that there is. I can not vote for them because of this whatever else their policies are. 

 

Similarly my sister and brother-in-law are NHS employees. It's not uncommon for b-i-l to do his day job in the NHS, go home for a few hours and then do a night in the ED/A&E.

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