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ZF Recommending gearbox oil change at 60k Miles.

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On the face of it it's not difficult for a DIY-er, but it may involve processes you feel uncomfortable with - e.g. running the car in gear while it's airborne and level, and ensuring the oil is at the correct temperature using a probe etc.

A competent garage should be able to do according to the ZF guidelines, as should a BMW dealer or specialist. As with many jobs it's down to the chap with the spanner in the end.

The video on page 1 shows what's involved, and the ZF document describes it fully.

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50 minutes ago, Paggers said:

As a sidebar question - is the job of changing the gearbox oil & filter something that really needs to be done by a BMW specialist or would it be within the capabilities of a decent local garage?

 

I would say go to a transmission specialist. Normal trade for them and they know the importance of using the correct oil and the correct procedure. They also buy the right oil in huge quantities so they can do it right for the lowest price.

 

BMW Main Dealers don't even recommend a fluid change so how often does a technician do the job. 

 

Local garages may innocently use an incorrect oil or not have access to the detailed procedure that is required.

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On 3/16/2017 at 4:39 PM, sshooie said:

Great link and information, I could never understand why BMW don't tap into this revenue stream.

 

IIRC , there was some marketing around the e60 being 'affordable' with regards to servicing. Given the condition based servicing system and the long oil service intervals you would essentially be hit with a £600+ (probably more from a main dealer) to service your gearbox on just your third oil change. Which makes it sound a lot less affordable, given that your third service will probably cost you well over a grand in total. 

 

The only way around that is to extend the service interval to 100-150k and call it 'lifetime'. The revenue generating from fooling people into buying a 5 series because it was as affordable to service as a mondeo is probably worth more than the additional labour charges at service time especially as more money is made via lucrative finance deals. 

 

Same with the options lists. Its all marketing.. "You can buy a 5 series for a tenner and service it for a fiver..." "Sir. you will need seats and a steering wheel with that, its now £40,000... did you want some ///M badges to make it look like an M5 whilst we are at it? that'll be £50,000". 

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Local dealer quoted me just over £500 if I insisted I really really REALLY did want it done.

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7 hours ago, JasonH said:

I would say go to a transmission specialist. Normal trade for them and they know the importance of using the correct oil and the correct procedure. They also buy the right oil in huge quantities so they can do it right for the lowest price.

 

BMW Main Dealers don't even recommend a fluid change so how often does a technician do the job. 

 

Local garages may innocently use an incorrect oil or not have access to the detailed procedure that is required.

 

That's a good point. There are a few of those up here in the North-West, I'll need to see if I can get the car booked in with one of them. If anyone has a recommendation for one within striking distance of Warrington that would be great.

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That's a good point. There are a few of those up here in the North-West, I'll need to see if I can get the car booked in with one of them. If anyone has a recommendation for one within striking distance of Warrington that would be great.

Used these guys in Preston, great service, around £350.

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The ZF website has a list of authorised agents. I contacted them & got a local recommendation

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7 hours ago, Paggers said:

 

That's a good point. There are a few of those up here in the North-West, I'll need to see if I can get the car booked in with one of them. If anyone has a recommendation for one within striking distance of Warrington that would be great.

 

It's a quick run down the M56, but try DMW in Deeside. I've used them before. They can also do a gearbox software update to ensure your box has the latest software in. 

 

http://www.dmwltd.co.uk/

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9 hours ago, BarryM said:

The ZF website has a list of authorised agents. I contacted them & got a local recommendation

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You got a link mate? I've done hundreds of these at my garage and only use genuine ZF parts and fluids, would be interested in getting on that list, got a growing facebook presence for it

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4 hours ago, pidgeonpost said:

A fella called Aaron Court recently posted this on the forum's Facebook page (apologies to FB haters) https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1867573790198796&id=1719572464998930

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That will be Courty above then lol 

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Thanks for the suggestions folks. The Preston lot were already on my radar so with a recommendation I'll most likely go there. Will want to check that they can do any software updates as well but I would be surprised if they can't if they specialist in this sort of thing.

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Thanks for the suggestions folks. The Preston lot were already on my radar so with a recommendation I'll most likely go there. Will want to check that they can do any software updates as well but I would be surprised if they can't if they specialist in this sort of thing.

I'd be interested to know if the s/w update is part of the service.

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I'd be interested to know if the s/w update is part of the service.

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They'll reset the adaptations, not sure about updating software though.

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3 hours ago, pidgeonpost said:

I'd be interested to know if the s/w update is part of the service. emoji4.png

 

Should be standard practice, fairly sure it is at Mackies Transmissions in Glasgow.

 

I was hoping a service and a software update would cure my E60 transmission problems but it didn't.

 

I don't actually think there have been many recent updates for the 6HP boxes.  Mine was 'checked' by BMW in June 2009 and they supposedly updated some software in the E60.  When it went to Mackies in Jan 2016, they advised that the software was fine....so that wasn't the problem.

 

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Don't know, but I'd be more tempted to look at the BMW EBay store. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171324259861

"For a few dollars more" you could get the genuine article. Also try Cotswold BMW in the forum sponsors section. They might even beat the EBay price.

Not saying the Meyle kit isn't decent, but your autobox really needs the best you can give it.

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Expensive for a pan only. It would also help if we knew what model of car is for since there is a difference between number of bolts between 6hp19 & 6hp26.

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You don't want to get it wrong so I would go with what the last two have said.

 

I would take it to a transmission specialist fir them to do. It's too risky having it in the air on axle stands while engaging all the gears...you also need means to take temperatures of the gearbox and fluid and a pump to put the right amount of fluid in the sump in the first place.

 

Saying that I've gone out and bought tools specifically for one job, but got more than that back on the saving in labour.

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8 hours ago, pidgeonpost said:

Don't know, but I'd be more tempted to look at the BMW EBay store. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171324259861

"For a few dollars more" you could get the genuine article. Also try Cotswold BMW in the forum sponsors section. They might even beat the EBay price.

Not saying the Meyle kit isn't decent, but your autobox really needs the best you can give it. emoji4.png

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Therea no oil in that listing! :-)

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On 21/03/2017 at 2:55 AM, courty89 said:

You got a link mate? I've done hundreds of these at my garage and only use genuine ZF parts and fluids, would be interested in getting on that list, got a growing facebook presence for it

 

Well the ZF website takes a bit of navigating but this looks similar to the page I found in the past, think you'd have to contact ZF and ask about getting on an approved list though: http://www.zf.com/corporate/en_de/aftermarket/spare_parts/transmissions_spare_parts/transmissions.html 

 

When I got mine done I'd toyed with ordering direct from ZF and taking the kit along to a gearbox specialist until I got one of their recommendations.  

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Therea no oil in that listing! :-)

Fair enough, but I'd still stick with genuine stuff for this particular job. Even then there's no guarantee something won't go pop. If you save a few beer tokens by buying non-genuine and then it goes pop you may always be wondering whether it wouldn't have happened if you'd paid a bit more - but maybe that's just my way of thinking.

The whole business has something of a Russian Roulette feel to it.

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