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I took f10 2.0D Auto for a test drive 2.5 years ago and I can tell you I liked it, a lot, it was quite, acceptably quick, lovely 8-speed gearbox and I did not notice tractor engine noise but for the money I was going to spend I would get an empty model with no extras whatsoever, so I took a test drive of M-Sport e60 and still enjoy it!

I would hate to have a small sat-nav screen or no seat heating or ugly standard wheels on SE models.

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On 06/03/2017 at 8:29 PM, 535iAR said:

SE spec v MSport.

 

SE is a bit more conservative looking, no body kit, no lower stiffened suspension, 17" or 18" wheels compared to MSport which can give you bigger 19" wheels and ///M badges everywhere. Purely personal preference.

 

 

SE's have been offered with 19"s from the start of the F10/11 reign - in fact the nicest wheel in my opinion is the 19" V style 331. SE's also offer a better choice of colours and lighter interior ambience due to lighter headlining. 

 

It is strongly rumoured that the cars were set up suspension wise on 18"s which again in my opinion offer the best ride/handling combination in the absence of AD/VDC

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On 3/5/2017 at 11:14 PM, Lennox said:

 

Agree..... F11 is a far better built car....

 

 

Not disagreeing with you as not overly familiar with the F11, but it is more that the E60/61 is criticised for poor build quality. Now having had an E39 and then an E61 for the past 15 years or so, I can tell you that my E61 is much better built and much more reliable than my E39. The interior is a bit Marmite, but then the F10/11 isn't great either

 

 

20 hours ago, Fezzy16v said:

If I was spending £11k on an E60 at the very least I'd expect it to have the larger, nicer looking 19" Spyders on it.

 

Personally, and it might be down to age (!!) I couldn't think of anything worse than 19s & sports suspension. I have 18s and am more than happy with that. Function over form. 

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2 hours ago, Saint said:

 

Not disagreeing with you as not overly familiar with the F11, but it is more that the E60/61 is criticised for poor build quality. Now having had an E39 and then an E61 for the past 15 years or so, I can tell you that my E61 is much better built and much more reliable than my E39. The interior is a bit Marmite, but then the F10/11 isn't great either

 

 

 

Personally, and it might be down to age (!!) I couldn't think of anything worse than 19s & sports suspension. I have 18s and am more than happy with that. Function over form. 

 

I had a brand new 520d M Sport with the 19's on nine years back and I found the ride perfectly fine. I am older now though so my opinion my change lol

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I often hear this "non-xenon lights are cr*p" - and it's rubbish, IMO. My E60's got standard bulbs and the best improvement I made was having the lenses polished. You can actually see the beam pattern in the right conditions. I do a lot of driving late at night on unlit A roads, country roads and motorways and they're more than bright enough. If anything, the latest generation of LED lights as fitted to some Mercs are the dangerous ones, because they're too bright! (Bit like some of those super-bright LED bike lamps that are badly aimed) And trust me, when you've driven a car fitted with the Prince of Darkness's finest sealed beams or worse still, a mid-50s Moggy Minor with pre-focus tungsten bulbs in it, you'll never complain about a BMW's lights again. Ever! I would also say that's what main beam is for when appropriate. If those are still too dim for an individual, I'd suggest in all fairness they should consider an eye test as they could be showing signs of night blindness. (You should have eye tests regularly anyway, not just because you think you need glasses.)

 

As for four-pot BMWs; they're just... wrong! Absolutely love the six-pot M54 in my car, best BMW lump ever. Nearly 200,000 miles now and you still can barely hear it at speed. Add that to it running at this time of year on 16" wheels (my winter wheels) and it's a lovely, comfy, wafty place to be. Took a mate home in it recently and later I learned from others just how impressed he was with the whole setup.

 

The other thing I'd venture to add is that if you get a late car in a particular series, you're getting one that hopefully has had all the wrinkles ironed out.

Edited by e60neindanke

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25 minutes ago, pidgeonpost said:

Agree about Jo Lucas's 'candle in a Guinness bottle' offerings, and the excessively bright led lights. Happy enough with standard lights on my E60. emoji4.png

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A mate of mine once used the phrase "NAAFI candle in a jam jar" to describe the lights on a Series II Landy he used to own...

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I'm another e6x owner with standard halogen lights. Never had a problem with them in 3 years of ownership - wasn't even aware people considered them to be a problem. I guess it's just relative. Once upon a time Halogen were the 'new and brighter' bulbs. Now it's Xenons or HIDs. I imagine if I stood any of them up against a Mk2 Ford Escort (my first car) the light output on that would look like a couple of candles. But we still seemed to manage to get around without running into things.

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2 hours ago, Paggers said:

Once upon a time Halogen were the 'new and brighter' bulbs. Now it's Xenons or HIDs. I imagine if I stood any of them up against a Mk2 Ford Escort (my first car) the light output on that would look like a couple of candles. But we still seemed to manage to get around without running into things.

 

In my case, my first car was a Renault 16, where the lights seemed much brighter than the family Zodiac with its 'Prince of Darkness' sealed beams. The lights got even brighter - albeit temporarily - when the alternator started shoving out 16 volts! At the time, it was all the rage to see if you could retrofit halogen bulbs into the fittings (they were drop-in replacements), but the major concern was the heat they generated. As it stood, the 16 was shortly replaced by an 18 that had the fancy new halogen bulbs as standard so that mod (and getting another alternator off the scrappy) never got carried out. IIRC the 16TX was the first Renault to have 'QI' (Quartz Iodine) bulbs as standard.

 

Paggers is right, though - we are still here to tell the tale, so they can't have been as bad as made out. Maybe we were just better at using the dipswitch where appropriate... :D

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The QI lights were a great step forward. I had a very poor headlamp on my Norton motorbike but fitted a Cibie unit with QI into the headlamp shell and it made night riding so much safer.

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On 08/03/2017 at 0:22 PM, Saint said:

 

Not disagreeing with you as not overly familiar with the F11, but it is more that the E60/61 is criticised for poor build quality. Now having had an E39 and then an E61 for the past 15 years or so, I can tell you that my E61 is much better built and much more reliable than my E39. The interior is a bit Marmite, but then the F10/11 isn't great either

 

 

 

Personally, and it might be down to age (!!) I couldn't think of anything worse than 19s & sports suspension. I have 18s and am more than happy with that. Function over form. 

 

I had over £10k spent under warranty on my E61 535d over a two year period by BMW.  Well documented and they ended up taking it off me, giving me a sweet deal on the he X5 35d.  The F11 535d has so far only required  the ERG to be replaced. Granted that cost BMW thousands last time in trial and error fixes...  this time strongly advised them what to replace.  

 

I loved the E61, probably the best drivers car I ever had.  And granted the F11 is a family plug, but when she pullls up her skirt, little gets past her.  Gave an A45 AMG a red face the other night. 

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The E60 lights aren't really a deal breaker, if you really want to you could drop in some hids , my 09 E60 already had the projectors, the hids were about £50 from ebay made a big difference but tbh if it didn't already come with projectors i wouldn't have bothered changing them.

 

Id steer clear of a 520d, imo the car suits a 6 pot auto, if you do go for the an 520d though beware of the timing chain issue of the n47 engines   

 

when i bought mine i could of spent a bit more for an f10 and got an se rather than M sport, a 4 pot rather than a 6 and imo an se f10 looks so dull compared to an m sport e60 with 19" spiders.

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