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London £10 emission toxicity charge for older cars going into the city

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13 minutes ago, welshpug said:

E39 is euro 3, manual CO2 is 346g/km.

 

Thanks.  This must impact on the second hand value of cars that might be used in and around central London (not mine on a regular basis anyway)

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I doubt it, anyone that can afford central London and an M BMW wouldn't blink an eye at that kind of small change.

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Most people working in and around London don't live anywhere near the centre and so rely on public transport or cars to get into work. This new charge will mean any cars older than about 2005 will be devalued or at least harder to sell, not just BMWs

 

 

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London is code for shit hole! 

 

You  can call it an expensive shit hole if you want (after my last trip to a certain country it's not that bad!) but it's still a shit hole! :lol: 

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If it stays within the current congestion charge zone then it's not that much of an issue TBH. There are plans to extend it out to within the north/south circular roads though which would make it a huge pain. £21 a day would cost you around £5k a year to commute to work in your pre 2005 car. Not funny at all. 

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19 hours ago, inkiboo said:

No, only ever in 1st gear and never go above 5mph because we are too busy counting all the money we have that supports the rest of the country.

 

And, we the rest of the country are too busy paying the central collection agency (HMRC) which subsidizes the central bureaucracy. 

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On 2/17/2017 at 7:30 PM, welshpug said:

I doubt it, anyone that can afford central London and an M BMW wouldn't blink an eye at that kind of small change.

Not necessarily. You find people that have lived somewhere for years yet if they were to come into the area as newcomers they would not be able to afford it.

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No, only ever in 1st gear and never go above 5mph because we are too busy counting all the money we have that supports the rest of the country.

If I were to get the equivalent job in London I'd earn 25-30% more, yet my house would cost 2.5-3 times as much.

My commute takes 8 minutes from my front door to my desk, is it still as good as you think?

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On 21/02/2017 at 1:04 AM, Doddy666 said:

If I were to get the equivalent job in London I'd earn 25-30% more, yet my house would cost 2.5-3 times as much.

My commute takes 8 minutes from my front door to my desk, is it still as good as you think?

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...and your house would appreciate in value 2.5-3 times as quickly too ;)

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...and your house would appreciate in value 2.5-3 times as quickly too

Doesn't matter much if the next house you has done the same, justifying to me ain't gonna work....its still in london

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19 hours ago, M5 London said:

 

Gives you an option to exit the market and place your new wealth in a cheaper market....

 

^^^ This .... Pretty much guaranteed - worked for me...left London in 1995 but kept a small foot hold in Crystal Palace with an ex-council flat which cost £25k in 1995... sold last year for £205k and over the 21 years was only empty without a tenant for a total of 4 months...  All mortgage payments, ground rent, maintenance etc all covered by the rent. 

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On ‎17‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 7:43 PM, gbrownings said:

Most people working in and around London don't live anywhere near the centre and so rely on public transport or cars to get into work. This new charge will mean any cars older than about 2005 will be devalued or at least harder to sell, not just BMWs

 

 

 

Yes I take the train in. Taking a car in would be hugely expensive, with the congestion charge and then parking, and then petrol and wear and tear on the car. I get to work and back for under £6 per day on public transport. By car would cost five times that and take longer as well probably.

 

I was pleasantly surprised to find that my car is not subject to this charge, despite having the old M54 engine carried over from the E39. Confirmed with their online checker using my reg. number. And then to my further surprise, when I looked at the emissions numbers on my V5 not only do they comply with Euro 4 but they also comply with Euro 6. Amazing, but it looks like Diesels were the area they were really tightening up on with Euro 5 and 6.

 

Anyway, for the very few times I come into central London by car, if I had a V8 beast I'd be happy to pay the charge :D

 

EDIT: just used the online checker for a 2001 E39 530i using a reg plate from an old for sale ad - that was not subject to the charge either. So a lot of cars pre 2005 will be exempt it seems.

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No one with a brain commutes to work in London by car unless they're a CFO. I don't see how this will impact car prices. 

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Checked my E34 & E39 M5's and both of them will be subject to the charge. It's not a massive problem for me at the moment as I rarely drive into town during the week, it might be a problem if the zone expands right out to the north/south circular though. 

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It's actually worse than some realise.

 

The T-Charge is applied to any vehicle that is considered polluting whilst travelling inside of the uLEZ which is currently the same as the CCZ inside the city, and will be applied to all vehicles from October this year. Polluting vehicles will be any diesel below Euro-6 (roughly older than 2015 vehicles) and Euro-4 petrol vehicles (est 2009, 2007 for motorbikes).

 

However. .....

 

The uLEZ limits now coming into force are expected to be adopted and applied to the whole of the current LEZ in 2021, that's pretty much everywhere inside the M25.

 

After recent court battles going against the government regarding air pollution, other cities will be required to tackle the issue and London may well be used as an example for other authorities around the country. Expect to see this issue growing and becoming more of a concern.

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