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I saw a journalist trying to get an answer to a question, what exactly did you see?

 

 

he asked and reported he didnt get an answer at all, HE DID and was shot down in flames

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if YES win there will be soooo many issues to work out and negotiations to be held that scotland won't be truly independent for another 5-10yrs

 

i'm english and it doesn't worry me either way but I have yet to see/hear some hard facts that, if i was Scottish, would make me vote yes.

 

if yes i am looking forward to my weekly shop at waitrose being cheaper when its not subsidising those stores waaaay up there in scotland - haha!

 

Q though (and its probably been discussed) why go independent to have more decision making and then join the EU to have decision making removed.

 

wonder how much Scotland will have to pay into the EU (some of it to cover the UK rebate)

 

AND...wasn't the Q that was not answered the one "why should the people believe you over financial experts" ....and he asked again after the pre prepared statement by the back office staff and read out by the politician. So he never really answered the final and most important part of the question. Surely it should have started with "they should believe me because....."

 

 

 

JJ

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he asked and reported he didnt get an answer at all, HE DID and was shot down in flames

So what was Alex Salmond's answer to Nick Robinson's question, "why should the people believe you over the financial experts?"

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p.s. it takes the UK about 4 years to procure and get into service new helicopters (and we are one of the biggest buyers so get priority a lot of the time) how is an independent scotland gonna procure their own in 2 years but without a procurement function/body/capability/requirement, armed forces, simulators to train and logistics to support?

 

has this been discussed and i missed it?

 

just speccing requirements for mission planning systems, defensive aids suites and weapons can take years.

 

JJ

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p.s. it takes the UK about 4 years to procure and get into service new helicopters (and we are one of the biggest buyers so get priority a lot of the time) how is an independent scotland gonna procure their own in 2 years but without a procurement function/body/capability/requirement, armed forces, simulators to train and logistics to support?

has this been discussed and i missed it?

just speccing requirements for mission planning systems, defensive aids suites and weapons can take years.

JJ

Don't worry about it it'll be alright when we get there, it'll sort itself out and the oil will pay for everything, forever!!! .........

What a waste. We must look like a bunch of planks to the rest of the world for thinking about separating. Well apart from Argentina they are most probably loving it.

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Thank fek that's all over, unfortunately the pontificating and claims of a 'moral victory' by the Yes mob have only just started, oh boy, am I looking forward to going into work today - not!

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did you watch the vid i posted regarding his biased and lying report.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRDDtsUIJwg

 

Btw turnout is HUGGEEE, in my mind people dont turn out in huge numbers for a NO, 

 

Actually think Alex Salmond should have been Prime Minister of the Uk, he takes and has taken on all the parties down at Westminster in his stride, more of a leader than all put together.

 

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Think you should have kept your powder dry for a few more hours mate!

Good result, already seen some vicious bile and threats from those on the losing side on social media. Apparently respecting the democratic will of the people only happens if you agree with the outcome :-(

Get on board and engage people, if you were willing to get involved with a leap of faith on independence, then get involved with local politics and effect change through your personal democratic power in a more devolved Scotland. Don't just sit back and whinge that Westminster doesn't represent your. Represent yourself.

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Well that was a nice big waste if public money - what a joke ;)

So going back to the "why should the public believe a politician over financial experts" question maybe he should have answered it.

JJ

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I don't think he had many answers at all, hence the overall result.

Very best wishes to all Scots, and I sincerely hope you can unite with each other, and also with the rest of the United Kingdom and leave any bitterness behind.

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I want the scottish mp group removed from voting on south of the border issues.

you have scottish parliament plus whatever more promised you by coalition.

we deserve equality in our parliament - voting rights restricted to issues each side of each border.

 

there is a tremendous amount of extra subsidy to health, welfare, pensioners etc already poured into scotland and denied to south of the border.

 

fairness re common uk treatment re above should be a plank to reconciliation, we are bitter about the mass of freebies enjoyed up there.

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superb result! No luck James :P lol

 

also some very interesting results when looking at the council breakdown. NLC only just scraping a yes majority, mean while the borders/Dfs/Edi City/ all of Aberdeen and surrounding area solid no's.

 

Superb to see so many people voted, but lets see if we can carry this momentum into the the next general election............. :cool:

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I want the scottish mp group removed from voting on south of the border issues.

you have scottish parliament plus whatever more promised you by coalition.

we deserve equality in our parliament - voting rights restricted to issues each side of each border.

 

This is known as the West Lothian question and has been the subject of many debates in Parliament over the years, unfortunately it is very unlikely to be resolved any time soon.

 

On another issue, my Independence supporting colleagues are (as I anticipated yesterday) already crying foul and demanding recounts due to a couple of videos doing the rounds which apparently show people at the counting desks deliberately spoiling ballot papers.

 

I have pointed out the number of spoiled papers runs into hundreds, the majority for the No vote is almost 1/3 million but that's not cutting any ice!  :lol:

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No luck indeed Gstar. I'm gutted to say the least and hell mend us now, we're a laughing stock and will deserve the shitstorm that's coming.

My only saving grace is I'm still young enough to emmigrate and my wife and I have professional qualifications. It's something I considered a while back and will have to discuss again, but I sure as hell have lost the loving feeling with Scotland and the sheep that reside here

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I think it would have been a clear Yes had Alex Salmond gone about this the right way, a lot of people voted No because of uncertainty.

Had he layed out a plan which was rock solid and covered everything Scotland would have voted Yes. There was 5% in it and imo that's very close considering how many people were undecided. They were undecided because it wasn't clear and more of a mish mash.

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^^^ This...

The biggest stumbling block for the Yes campaign was always Salmond....

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No luck indeed Gstar. I'm gutted to say the least and hell mend us now, we're a laughing stock and will deserve the shitstorm that's coming.

My only saving grace is I'm still young enough to emmigrate and my wife and I have professional qualifications. It's something I considered a while back and will have to discuss again, but I sure as hell have lost the loving feeling with Scotland and the sheep that reside here

'Hell mend us'? 'laughing stock'? 'Shitstorm'? 'I sure as hell have lost the loving feeling with Scotland'.

Forgive me for pointing this out but not even 24 hours ago you were full of nationalistic fervour. All that has happened is a vote in a democractic society. You shouldn't throw all your toys out of the pram just because you didn't get your way.

Scotland is still Scotland, you are still Scottish and the entire political system throughout the United Kingdom has a kick to the gonads and is due for a shake up. That shake-up should see a fairer system of representation and democracy across the United kingdom, not just Scotland.

Living in a democracy has freedoms, such as the unfettered vote you have just cast, but hand in hand with those freedoms go responsibilities, which is now to accept the democractic will of the majority.

Falling out of love with your homeland over this vote smacks of someone who has always had his own way and is having a tantrum about not getting their own way now.

Scotland hasn't changed, all that has happened is that the people who live there have voiced their opinion. They've in all probability (judging by the stack of interviews) pretty much always held those opinions on which they voted so you've been living within that environment for probably all of your life. The fact you are so upset about hearing it out loud could mean a number of things, from outright delusional, to merely not understanding the man or woman in the street standing next to you.

A knee-jerk reaction emmigration should be tempered with two things;

1. A good, long, hard look at the country you plan to go to - the grass is not always greener.

2. A good, long, hard look at the country you live in now - the grass is not always greener.

Good luck in your decision.

I think it would have been a clear Yes had Alex Salmond gone about this the right way, a lot of people voted No because of uncertainty.

Had he layed out a plan which was rock solid and covered everything Scotland would have voted Yes. There was 5% in it and imo that's very close considering how many people were undecided. They were undecided because it wasn't clear and more of a mish mash.

I don't think AS could have done everything differently. Quite simply, due to International, EU and UK rules and regulation which must be followed he couldn't guarantee any of his so called promises.

EU Membership? Never going to happen without EU agreement of the entire UK deciding to break up the Union. Self partitioning regions are a threat to nearly half of the EU member countries and as such they will always resist a partisan break-up of a EU member as it is in their own States interest.

Currency? Independence is simply that, independence with an independent currency. His declaration that Scotland will keep the Pound and have a Currency Union with the rest of the rest of the UK was just hopeless lies. The analogy of a wife getting a divorce but keeping the credit card but not the debts is entirely accurate.

Budget? Salmonds socialist nirvana is unaffordable and he knows it. He won't get long to lick his wounds as he has to declare the NHS cuts he was trying to hide away, and due to the wide-ranging exposure of the referendum nearly everyone in the UK knows of the Barnett formula and its obvious inequities toward the poorer parts of the rest of the United Kingdom.

NATO Membership? Oil ownership? Immigration? Border controls? All of these elements he failed to address accurately and honestly and given that it was a 'Once in a lifetime opportunity' I personally always thought it was deplorable and disgusting that the man, his team and his Party never honestly thought through every single aspect of the potential challenges to Scotland becoming Independent and presented all those cohesive, solid propositions toward the Scottish Electorate.

Alex Salmond has shown himself to be a fantastic orator and a wiley politician but he has been exposed as a charlatan with no genuine answers for all his high hopes and wild ambition.

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^^^^^^ This man talks total sense!

 

Salmond was never going to be able to make good on his promises, what he will do now is blame absolutely everything he can on Westminster including his already proposed NHS cuts, then he can sit back, point the finger and beat everyone up over the golden opportunity they missed!

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The maps on this BBC analysis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29255449

are quite interesting when you compare the results of the referendum with the results of the European Election; basically the SNP got nearly everything North of Glasgow/Edinburgh in the European election but those same districts almost unanimously soundly rejected the SNP bid for independence.

I don't think this bodes well for the future of the SNP.....

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